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DaneDHorstead
08-27-2008, 01:44 PM
While this isn't exactly HHO issues, it is probably the first real organized effort to ween America off of our Seven hundred billion dollar "a year", oil thirst!

That is almost tripple, the cost of the Iraq war, and we spend it every year, with prices dramatically rising.

This man is spending fifty eight million dollars of his own money, to shift us away from oil, and diversify, our energy needs, through wind, solar, natural gas, and more.

He states that the USA produces 98% of the world's natural gas, and that if we could convert to Natural Gas, for transportation, we could supply our needs at a cost equivilant to $1.50 per gallon of gasoline.

Town hall video, is long, but well worth the viewing.


Links:
http://www.pickensplan.com/theplan/

http://www.pickensplan.com/news/2008/08/04/video-of-the-topeka-town-hall/

volomike
08-27-2008, 01:57 PM
Yeah, saw that the other day. Rather liked it. There's only one catch, however...

I recall reading a Forbes issue back in the 1980s about this T. Boone Pickens guy. Says he is a stock raider and he took over Weyerhauser. When he did, one of his goals is to sell off a good portion of its assets and then sell the company at a bargain price. The new buyer then gets ripped off by finding that the things they need to run the company properly have been sold off.

Well, as it turns out with Weyerhauser, Pickens went and cut down huge forests full of trees much faster than they were intended to be cut, ruining the environment. Sure, it was within Weyerhauser's right to do that because they owned those lands, but until that point Weyerhauser was being a responsible steward of the land most of the time, never cutting down too many trees in an area, and always replanting a couple years after they cut the trees down.

Wish I had that article. Perhaps someone else can deny or confirm.

However, this Pickens Plan is a sensational idea, regardless of the credibility of the man who started it.

Butch
08-27-2008, 03:31 PM
I have seen his TV spots for months now..... not saying he has, but mabe he has turned his life arown... I must check to see if his plan has a Forum and see if HHO is in the Big Plan.

DaneDHorstead
08-27-2008, 04:05 PM
I seroiusly doubt that his plan considers HHO, as his basics are wind generators, and natural gas. Although he does mention other means of energy.

Still, the ecconemy needs all the help it can get.

In addition to T Boon Pickens, I read the other day (on HHO forum), about a man named Lindsey Williams (preacher), who got himself invited to sit in on about three years worth of oil well drilling, on Alaskas north ridge..

He says Atlantic Richfield hit what is known to be the worlds largest oil field known to mankind, and that it has enough oil, to keep the USA at its current consumption rate, for the next two hundred years.

But, because Henry Kissenger, cut a deal with Saudi Arabia, in the 70's, we are obligated to use their oil, because they agreed to pay down our national debt, in return for oil profits (?)

I don't remember the link, but I'll search for it, and try to post it.

Also, in that same oil strike, thay hit Natural gas, and are supposedly putting something like one billion cubic feet of it back into the ground, every two days (and have been, for 30 plus years).

In his story, he says a VP from Atlantic Richfield, got fired, because he let Williams sit in on the find (who later wrote the book).

Supposedly, the VP got so pissed at the oil company, that he helped to re-write the book, providing far more information, and facts.


Searching the youtube.com page, enter Lindsey Williams, and you will find he did an 8 part video, on this. There are also many other of his videos, but all 8 segments are found there.

They are listed as part 1, part 2, etc.

computerclinic
08-27-2008, 05:17 PM
IMHO I believe that Pickens has some AWSOME ideas, and I also believe that his plan will fly...

My home is lit with solar and wind, running on a grid tie system so you can imagine why I am an advocate of solar/wind/nat. gas....Its just right...

volomike
08-27-2008, 09:23 PM
Dane, now that's an interesting bit of news. Let me know if you can think of the book. I'll have to read that.

computerclinic
08-27-2008, 10:18 PM
I understand the deal that Kissinger made, but what I dont understand is

1..Why is USA debt getting bigger when the saudis are supposed to be paying it down...I mean I saw a fella when I was over there--he had a diamond COVERED (completely) car, and was charging folks 1k american just to touch it!

2..The USA gets MOST of its oil from Venezuala so the deal had to be with an organization such as OPEC..If thats the case, then why do we need just the saudi money?

DaneDHorstead
08-28-2008, 10:04 AM
As I understand it, the overwhelming majority of our national debt, has been created since the 9 -11 situation. Kissenger made the deal in the 70's.

But then who really understands the wisdom, of government?

Who would establish sub prime loans, and make then available, for low income people to obtain multiple households? How could that particular sitiation not fail?

computerclinic
08-28-2008, 02:39 PM
I think McCain is onto something with funding the Battery Contest....He is willing to give a large ammount of money to whoever comes up with a battery that will make us all VERY HAPPY!

Right now, we are able to generate energy and capture energy, but we lack an efficient means to store and release the energy....If we can overcome this bottle neck, we have got it made....

There is a company called Zendd industries who created such a battery, but the down side to it is that if you so much as even fart near it, the thing becomes unusable...Great for solar and/or hydro power where the battery will rest undisturbed, but in most other apps, it falls short simply because its just to fragile.

Pickens has the right idea as well...exploit existing alternative energy until a suitable energy source is perfected.

DaneDHorstead
08-31-2008, 11:51 AM
Dane, now that's an interesting bit of news. Let me know if you can think of the book. I'll have to read that.
He has written several books, but the one I write about is called "The Energy Non-Crisis"

Link: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Lindsey+williams&search_type=&aq=f

On this page, there are 839 results for "Lindsey Williams" many are posted by him, others are posted about him.

I videos I speak of are listed at the above link, as: The Energy Non-Crisis part 1 0f 8 (pert 2 of 8) (part 3 of 8, etc.)

It is very interesting, but takes an hour and a half to view, in all.

Not that it is substanciated, by Ken Frome (not sure of the proper spelling of his name), former VP of Atlantic Richfield.

ridelong
08-31-2008, 12:19 PM
My only problem with Pickens is I heard he is heavily invested in wind generation companys. Adveretising his plan may be a way to line his own pockets. With that said, it may be a good idea anyway.

Q-Hack!
08-31-2008, 12:45 PM
My only problem with Pickens is I heard he is heavily invested in wind generation companys. Adveretising his plan may be a way to line his own pockets. With that said, it may be a good idea anyway.

You know it...

SamB52
08-31-2008, 03:18 PM
He has written several books, but the one I write about is called "The Energy Non-Crisis"

Link: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Lindsey+williams&search_type=&aq=f

On this page, there are 839 results for "Lindsey Williams" many are posted by him, others are posted about him.

I videos I speak of are listed at the above link, as: The Energy Non-Crisis part 1 0f 8 (pert 2 of 8) (part 3 of 8, etc.)

It is very interesting, but takes an hour and a half to view, in all.

Not that it is substanciated, by Ken Frome (not sure of the proper spelling of his name), former VP of Atlantic Richfield.

I stayed up one night and watched the whole thing. I kept watching it, thinking "what a remarkable conspiracy theory"...but every time I saw the audience I thought "what is this thing?" Did you see them? He gave his speech at a bingo parlor, or maybe a retirement center...

But what he said doesn't hold water...the IMF and World Bank are manipulating energy prices... ? Those guys make money whether oil goes up or down. It's far more accurate to say that the oil futures market is responsible for oil prices. No longer actual costs or actual demand and supply, but projected supply and demand. That's why the price of oil came down so much right after T Boone came out with his plan, and Newt Gingrich started his Drill Here, Drill Now campaign. Suddenly the oil futures boys began to lose their confidence that demand would continually rise and supply would fall with foreign instability...
Even the dollar became stronger when monetary speculators began to understand that the US would not continue down the path of being whiny, holier-than-thou, do-nothing-but-complain environmentalists, and might actually get up off their butts and 1)drill now and 2)innovate. Drilling is the stopgap for near term, and innovation is the longterm answer, as it always has been throughout the ages.

That's why places like this forum are so dam important!!!

MIT's lab is using cobalt and phosphate, so I'm adding that as my electrolyte next week...more info = better innovation.

So keep the info coming!!!!

I would also speculate that what we see out there in general is less conspiracy and more complacency, more bureaucratic bog.

IMHO, of course...

Q-Hack!
08-31-2008, 11:15 PM
But what he said doesn't hold water...the IMF and World Bank are manipulating energy prices... ?

He is not the first to say this... There are many who believe that the IMF and World Bank set the prices on many things around the world. They basically have no oversight on what they do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbakN7SLdbk

DaneDHorstead
09-01-2008, 04:12 PM
He is not the first to say this... There are many who believe that the IMF and World Bank set the prices on many things around the world. They basically have no oversight on what they do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbakN7SLdbk
Even though I started this thread, I like to go back and review the videos.

I note in review, that I misquoted Lindsey, when i said one billion cubic feet were pumped back into the ground, every two days, as he actually said it was done every 24 hours (one full day).

Now, that it has been announced that the new Governor of Alaska, is running for VP, shouldn't these points need to be posed to her, as well as John Mc Cain, in relation to supply/demand ecconomics of Crude Oil, vs the ecconomic needs of the USA?

Anyone got any contacts with radio, or TV, to get the question properly posed on airwaves?

Certainly the Governor of Alaska, is aware of this, and must come clean on it, if the country is made aware. Or run the risk of pissing everyone off!

With part of the book being rewritten by a former VP of ARCO, who would be stupid enough, to deny it?

Remember, Lincoln said You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people, all of the time.... But you can't fool all of the people, all of the time!

With the cat out of the bag, in the form of ARCO's former VP making these claims, McCains ticket probably wouldn't risk lieing to the people, when he is behind in votes

McCain, wouldn't have the wiggle room, to deny it, but he might use Alaskas delicate climate, as a reason not to persue it. Just as they have, with Florida's shore line.

Only, in this case, the wells are already there, and wouldn't need ten years, to bring the crude to the cracker, and on to the pumps.

Having this question properly posed, using the right channels, will dramaticly increase awareness, of the Alaskan Oil, as well as boost membership/awareness, in HHO/energy forums, etc.

volomike
09-01-2008, 11:01 PM
My only problem with Pickens is I heard he is heavily invested in wind generation companys. Adveretising his plan may be a way to line his own pockets. With that said, it may be a good idea anyway.

You're right, although I suppose I don't blame him.

I mean, let's say you're a billionaire sitting at home and you happen to read a report with statistical proof that shows that the USA is sitting on the "Saudi Arabia" of wind force, the likes of which is not equaled anywhere in the world. You then do the math and realize the economy of scale here, where you forecast the price of gasoline in the future, and the efficiency of windmill power these days. Yeah, heck yeah, you might go out and build a whole bunch of wind farms with your own cash, and then reap in the profit.

However, in that profit, you might also help others, actually. So, we'll just have to wait and see what turns up when he starts to sell the power from these wind farms to the electrical power companies.

atfab
10-10-2008, 11:08 AM
I wouldn't trust Pickens as far as I could throw an an elephant! He has never done a thing that didn't work out in his favor.

Last week he bought control of General Electric, at bargin a bargin price during the big drop on Wall Street. He now owns the the infrastructure to produce and market the devices you will need to take advantage of his plan.

Even if his plan is not adopted, he will make money from GE's current and vast range of products.

If you shake his hand, be sure to count your fingers afterwards.

Davehho1
04-05-2009, 08:02 AM
Stick a fork in us, were done.