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volomike
07-10-2008, 08:50 PM
I thought I'd start a thread that perhaps could be picked up by the moderators and converted into a sticky at the top of a forum somewhere.

Here's a recent news report that covers HHO.

A Greenville, South Carolina NBC News Team experimented with HHO and found great results in their first try.

http://www.wyff4.com/money/16842225/detail.html?rss=gs&psp=news

justaguy
07-10-2008, 10:10 PM
http://www.wptv.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=74b15465-2ebb-49e0-acb1-939c4bb13a28

dennis13030
07-10-2008, 10:23 PM
http://www.wptv.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=74b15465-2ebb-49e0-acb1-939c4bb13a28

Wow! That story/product is awesome.

justaguy
07-10-2008, 10:27 PM
I think this topic is a good idea, gives more proof to the skeptics. We all know even skeptics believe what the media says.

dennis13030
07-10-2008, 11:34 PM
If it was in the paper or on TV, it must be true. LOL

I'm a skeptic. After doing some research, I think there maybe something very good with this HHO thing.

volomike
07-10-2008, 11:51 PM
http://www.wptv.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=74b15465-2ebb-49e0-acb1-939c4bb13a28

I'm waiting for the report that comes out with this news channel in July. (Aren't we all?)

daveczrn
07-11-2008, 12:28 AM
Wow! That story/product is awesome.

Yes it does seem very nice. But for $1200 i think i will make my own.
But not needing any additive is very nice.

Phantom240
07-11-2008, 01:29 PM
Yes it does seem very nice. But for $1200 i think i will make my own.
But not needing any additive is very nice.

Indeed. The packaging is nice... but is it worth $1200? Not in my opinion. Looks like a smacks booster. A pretty smacks that is.

dennis13030
07-11-2008, 01:40 PM
Indeed. The packaging is nice... but is it worth $1200? Not in my opinion. Looks like a smacks booster. A pretty smacks that is.

Did you notice the performance stats? They went from 9.4 MPG to 23 something MPG. Then they call that about a 60% increase??

If you double your MPG, isn't that 100% increase??

gheuett
07-11-2008, 02:06 PM
I was wondering also about the ECM effect - If they had to deal with that at all.

Thanks,
Gib

dennis13030
07-11-2008, 02:53 PM
I was wondering also about the ECM effect - If they had to deal with that at all.

Thanks,
Gib

Maybe, it depends what instructions were included with the Booster.

justaguy
07-11-2008, 08:36 PM
Did you notice the performance stats? They went from 9.4 MPG to 23 something MPG. Then they call that about a 60% increase??

If you double your MPG, isn't that 100% increase??

Yeah Dennis, I caught that too,lol. Guess they,re not good with math.

A guy on another forum went from 9 mpg to 42 with one cell. He added a second cell went to 52, third cell 64, drilled and tapped each runner on his intake so hho goes directly to each cylinder and jumped to 74 mpg. He is experimenting with another design that he thinks might beat it.

Ok, lets see 9 mpg to 74. Wouldn't that be over an 800% increase?

Smith03Jetta
07-11-2008, 10:25 PM
I'm trying to give everybody the benefit of a doubt but I think that's Bull Crap. Anyone with that kind of results would already be killed by the oil companies.:cool::eek::confused::D

dennis13030
07-11-2008, 10:34 PM
Yeah Dennis, I caught that too,lol. Guess they,re not good with math.

A guy on another forum went from 9 mpg to 42 with one cell. He added a second cell went to 52, third cell 64, drilled and tapped each runner on his intake so hho goes directly to each cylinder and jumped to 74 mpg. He is experimenting with another design that he thinks might beat it.

Ok, lets see 9 mpg to 74. Wouldn't that be over an 800% increase?

Amazing!................

cougar gt-e
07-13-2008, 07:49 PM
I'm trying to give everybody the benefit of a doubt but I think that's Bull Crap. Anyone with that kind of results would already be killed by the oil companies.:cool::eek::confused::D

Now that's funny!


Wait a minute, who are those black suited gents at the front door? Is that the sound of a black helicopter circling the hou

u4david
07-16-2008, 04:23 PM
http://www.wptv.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=74b15465-2ebb-49e0-acb1-939c4bb13a28

engines that waste lot of gas to start with will have larger increase in efficiency.

airdude
07-21-2008, 07:53 PM
http://www.wptv.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=74b15465-2ebb-49e0-acb1-939c4bb13a28

Did ya notice that he recommends 'mineral water' not distilled? and his choice of mineral waters is PELLEGRINO! bubbling water!

http://www.hydro4000.com/install.htm

dennis13030
07-21-2008, 08:24 PM
Did ya notice that he recommends 'mineral water' not distilled? and his choice of mineral waters is PELLEGRINO! bubbling water!

http://www.hydro4000.com/install.htm

I wonder if there is enough water in piss to get HHO? Oh that sounds bad I know. However, what happens if you have a water only power car and you ran out of water in the middle of nowhere?

Stratous
07-21-2008, 10:03 PM
can you imagine the smell of that.......ewwwww

David Hamilton
07-21-2008, 10:31 PM
I think the mineral water is the electrolyte, It says use distilled
That's what they told me on the phone.

airdude
07-21-2008, 10:57 PM
for hydrogen things and the politics around it

http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/blog2/

airdude
07-21-2008, 10:59 PM
more HHO vendors

http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/hydrogen-generators-cars.htm

tbhavsar
07-22-2008, 03:12 PM
FYI- Just came across this site during my search.

http://www.dinglefoundation.com/index.php

dennis13030
07-26-2008, 03:16 AM
http://www.athensmessenger.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=273&ArticleID=11216&TM=40161.2

Dewayne
07-27-2008, 09:53 PM
Is this typical?

I finished my Smacks Friday. My voltmeter only goes up to 10A, so I'm being careful powering up the cell.

Things change every time I power up the cell. The first time I put in enough KOH where the cell was pulling 8.3A. I let it produce about 3ltr of gas and then turned it off. I powered it up yesterday and it was pulling about 10A. Again I let it produce 1ltr of gas. No more KOH added. I powered up the cell this morning and it was pulling 12A ( hang in there meter.) Again 1 ltr of gas, no KOH added. Powered it up this evening and went through the same steps but now it's pulling over 15A. No more test until I get the ammeter I won on eBay today.

Fridays test I got about 300mltr/min., It's up to almost 1ltr/min now.

Anyone know why it is pulling more power every time I power it up?

cougar gt-e
07-27-2008, 11:28 PM
I would guess that you are cleaning off the crud from the plates and exposing more metal to the solution. More area = more amps = more gas.

I ran a smack like multi plate design and it turned the liquid some cool colors! That got less and less as it ran more.

Packer Fan

Dewayne
07-28-2008, 12:30 AM
You could be right about the crud, but the plates were cleaned with acetone and denatured alcohol then rinsed off with distilled water. All the while I was waring latex gloves. The plates were never touched during/after they were cleaned.

BTW the plates were placed on a clean white rag during the cleaning process.

justaguy
07-28-2008, 08:42 PM
Someone on another forum posted about conditioning your cells before installing. He said to sand both sides of the plates with rough sand paper but here is where your case comes in. He said to let the plates soak in the KOH and distilled water for three days in a container before installing.

He did a test with conditioned plates and unconditioned plates and said it was a huge difference in production by the conditioned plates.

I,m thinking your cell may have went through a conditioning is why it went up.

Stratous
07-28-2008, 09:21 PM
The plates will eventually condition themselves, I have heard mixed reviews on the sanding of the plates. I have not tried it yet myself. I always forget to do it...Maybe I need a builders checklist.

Painless
07-28-2008, 11:40 PM
The Smacks booster instructions talk about scoring and denting the plates too, which is for the purpose of increasing the reacting surface area. It also mentions that fingerprints on the plates are bad too, as they hinder production.

runcar
08-11-2008, 07:13 PM
The news story was generally positive, upbeat and accurate about HHO technology. I thought the lines about the EPA and the Attorney General were misleading, though, since it lumped in HHO generators with the broad spectrum of other gas saving devices, many of which don’t work. It’s always, good though to see skeptics turned into believers.

gizzy
08-15-2008, 01:58 PM
http://hydrogenretrofit.blogspot.com/

sp1r0
08-19-2008, 01:34 PM
http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2008/jul/16/results-fuel-saving-gadgets-st-lucie-patrol-cars-a/?partner=yahoo_headlines

buffordboy23
08-19-2008, 02:38 PM
FYI- Just came across this site during my search.

http://www.dinglefoundation.com/index.php

I saw this guy on some YouTube videos:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UVhXrvCCILw
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=n-hjxFaLXAk

Unfortunately, his approach (a car operating solely on water) violates the laws of physics. However, I do believe that supplementing your gasoline-fueled vehicle with hydrogen can be beneficial for fuel economy if done correctly.

He says one liter of water (1 kg) will run the vehicle for an hour. Here’s some scientific logic to prove how ridiculous this claim is.

The chemical equation to split water is given by

2(H2O) (l) –> 2(H2) (g) + (O2) (g) dH = 486 kJ

Now he said that the products used in the engine for combustion are hydrogen and oxygen, so the this chemical reaction can only be the reverse of the one already mentioned. Since 2 moles H2O equals 36 grams of H2O, only 27.8*dH, or 13.5 MJ of energy can be released during combustion--the 27.8 comes from 1 kg of water divided by 36 grams per 2 moles of H20 in the above chemical reaction. So over the course of one second, 13.5 MJ / 3600 s = 3.75 kJ (about 5 hp) of energy is available for operating the car. This power output is so small, and note that we didn’t even discuss efficiency losses and the initial energy needed to break the water molecule via electric current from the battery so the net power output is exceedingly smaller.

If we do consider the efficiency losses and the energy needed to split water (the same amount of energy that is released during combustion), then the actual power output is below zero, which means he is powering his vehicle by some hidden and unknown means.

The important conclusion to take home: This guy is full of BS.

volomike
08-19-2008, 06:50 PM
http://www.wptv.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=74b15465-2ebb-49e0-acb1-939c4bb13a28

And finally we now have the next news story to the one you submitted:

http://www.wptv.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=0b228f97-a0da-42f2-9c03-b0dd76f2cebc

Basically it reveals that without proper electronics, people could end up blowing fuses, and that the gas mileage improvement in this particular electrolyzer was marginal -- going from 11mpg to 18mpg in one vehicle, more in others, etc. My gut feeling is that the unit looks pretty, but probably lacks the proper electronics to be sufficient and may even eventually melt wiring. It probably doesn't even have a PWM. It also only used distilled water and I really think it needs lye or potash added to that water to be sufficient. Otherwise, all you're doing is boiling water and not getting enough HHO.

So, the story and the analysis isn't wrong -- it's the brand of device that is in this case.

loumiii
08-20-2008, 04:08 AM
And finally we now have the next news story to the one you submitted:

http://www.wptv.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=0b228f97-a0da-42f2-9c03-b0dd76f2cebc

Basically it reveals that without proper electronics, people could end up blowing fuses, and that the gas mileage improvement in this particular electrolyzer was marginal -- going from 11mpg to 18mpg in one vehicle, more in others, etc. My gut feeling is that the unit looks pretty, but probably lacks the proper electronics to be sufficient and may even eventually melt wiring. It probably doesn't even have a PWM. It also only used distilled water and I really think it needs lye or potash added to that water to be sufficient. Otherwise, all you're doing is boiling water and not getting enough HHO.

So, the story and the analysis isn't wrong -- it's the brand of device that is in this case.
Um just curious but 11 to 18 mpg is near 70% and 9 to 23 mpg is over 150%. What percentage gain in milage would you consider to be better then marginal?

And could you tell us what proper electronics are needed to prevent blowing fuses or melting wires.

Let's see the guy's been in business a couple of years, has built and installed some 800 units he said and so far as we know he didn't handle four customer service complaints very well. Pretty impressive I think.

Thanks
Lou

SamB52
08-24-2008, 11:54 AM
And finally we now have the next news story to the one you submitted:

http://www.wptv.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=0b228f97-a0da-42f2-9c03-b0dd76f2cebc

Basically it reveals that without proper electronics, people could end up blowing fuses, and that the gas mileage improvement in this particular electrolyzer was marginal -- going from 11mpg to 18mpg in one vehicle, more in others, etc. My gut feeling is that the unit looks pretty, but probably lacks the proper electronics to be sufficient and may even eventually melt wiring. It probably doesn't even have a PWM. It also only used distilled water and I really think it needs lye or potash added to that water to be sufficient. Otherwise, all you're doing is boiling water and not getting enough HHO.

So, the story and the analysis isn't wrong -- it's the brand of device that is in this case.


I agree - not the most sophisticated unit out there. Yet he has already had over $1m in revenues, after starting his business in Feb 08...that's pretty impressive...
And if you read his installation instructions his first charge of water is "mineral drinking water". So he is essentially using sodium bicarbonate for electrolyte.
As Roy McAlister put it in 2005, there are over 800 million internal combustion engines around the planet. Plenty of room for all entrepreneurs.
I just finished watching a news show on Ed Begley, Jr. who is a conservation fanatic. He even went so far as to put in a plastic lawn at his house so as to save water...I just can't get excited about conservation like that. To anyone that says conserve, conserve, conserve, I say innovate, innovate, innovate. (His original lawn would have, you guessed it, sucked CO2 out of the air and turned it into , you guessed it, H2O and O2, just like God's photosynthesis has done since the dawn of time. And every molecule of water that was here at the dawn of time, is, you guessed it, still here. It's just a matter of keeping it clean. Ah, well, scarcity freaks get what they asked for, a sense of scarcity)
Keep truckin, hho website! This is the coolest place on the internet!

Genchaos
08-24-2008, 11:29 PM
I just finished a Smack cell and saw pretty much the same results as Dewayne. I stopped adding sodium hydroxide at 10 amps, the output is awesome. Got to rig a flow meter! So far no discoloration of the plates or water. I made a really simple bubbler that I am convinced will not draw back water into the cell as it cools. I'll try to upload a pic or two later.

sm0kin
08-25-2008, 09:15 PM
found this article may have been posted already but....http://www.motortrend.com/features/editorial/112_0502_technologue/index.html

Genchaos
08-27-2008, 09:30 AM
Hrein Energy Successfully Test Drives 1.2L Vehicle With Retrofitted Organic Hydride System
February 29, 2008

The organic hydride dehydrogenation reactor is mounted inline in the exhaust system. Click to enlarge.
Hrein Energy, in cooperation with Futaba Industrial Co., Ltd, ITO Racing Service Co. Ltd.. and Dr. Ichikawa Masaru, a professor emeritus of Hokkaido University, has successfully test-driven a 1.2-liter Nissan March retrofitted with an on-board organic hydride system (earlier post) that delivers supplemental hydrogen to the gasoline engine.

Adding several percent of hydrogen dehydrogenated from the organic hydride to the intake air supported very lean-burn combustion. Fuel efficiency was improved by 30%; CO2 emissions were cut by 30%; and concentrations of CO and NOx were “considerably reduced”, according to the company.

You can read more on this at http://www.greencarcongress.com/h2/index.html

These guys must be nuts! 30% increase in fuel savings?? Next we'll be reading that we're NOT wackos!

More details at this website http://www.hrein.jp/english/pressrelease/index.htm

They appear to be doing what we are but generate the hydrogen a different way.

SamB52
08-27-2008, 01:06 PM
Hrein Energy Successfully Test Drives 1.2L Vehicle With Retrofitted Organic Hydride System
February 29, 2008

The organic hydride dehydrogenation reactor is mounted inline in the exhaust system. Click to enlarge.
Hrein Energy, in cooperation with Futaba Industrial Co., Ltd, ITO Racing Service Co. Ltd.. and Dr. Ichikawa Masaru, a professor emeritus of Hokkaido University, has successfully test-driven a 1.2-liter Nissan March retrofitted with an on-board organic hydride system (earlier post) that delivers supplemental hydrogen to the gasoline engine.

Adding several percent of hydrogen dehydrogenated from the organic hydride to the intake air supported very lean-burn combustion. Fuel efficiency was improved by 30%; CO2 emissions were cut by 30%; and concentrations of CO and NOx were “considerably reduced”, according to the company.

You can read more on this at http://www.greencarcongress.com/h2/index.html

These guys must be nuts! 30% increase in fuel savings?? Next we'll be reading that we're NOT wackos!

More details at this website http://www.hrein.jp/english/pressrelease/index.htm

They appear to be doing what we are but generate the hydrogen a different way.

Nice find!
They "dehydrogenate" a complex organic compound while we are "dehydrogenating" water. Their target rate was 3 cubic meters per hour, or 3000 liters per hour, which is 50 liters per minute, for a 1.2 liter engine. There's the challenge...for my Hemi I would need 5X that, or 250 lpm...I need the ghost of Stan Meyer to help me with this one!

The next article in the Green car congress was also interesting...

"A memo prepared by the Santa Clara Valley (California) Transportation Authority (VTA) for the Transportation and Planning Committee of its Board of Directors reports that the average total operating cost per mile of the agency’s three hydrogen fuel cell buses is $51.66—32 times the average total cost per mile for the conventional diesel fleet."

Unless the patrons are willing to pay 32 times the current bus fee, the VTA ought to put hho reactors on their diesel buses, which would clean up the air, drive down the current cost of operation(instead of 32X up)and forget about Al Gore's scam on CO2. Plant more trees and let photosynthesis handle the heat and CO2. Get a nice canopy of green over all those urban parking lots and the globe would cool right down...IMHO, of course!

As Roy McAlister said so eloquently, there are 800 million engines around the world right now, and the diesel is the most efficient engine created. Just improve the efficiency of the current engines with hydrogen, rather than replacing them, and you will have cleaner air and immediate fuel savings. And he is a fuel cell expert.

chris1200
01-08-2009, 09:35 AM
Is this typical?

I finished my Smacks Friday. My voltmeter only goes up to 10A, so I'm being careful powering up the cell.

Things change every time I power up the cell. The first time I put in enough KOH where the cell was pulling 8.3A. I let it produce about 3ltr of gas and then turned it off. I powered it up yesterday and it was pulling about 10A. Again I let it produce 1ltr of gas. No more KOH added. I powered up the cell this morning and it was pulling 12A ( hang in there meter.) Again 1 ltr of gas, no KOH added. Powered it up this evening and went through the same steps but now it's pulling over 15A. No more test until I get the ammeter I won on eBay today.

Fridays test I got about 300mltr/min., It's up to almost 1ltr/min now.

Anyone know why it is pulling more power every time I power it up?


From what I remember in chemistry, This happens because you are converting water to Brown gas (which goes to your engine), but the net amount of KOH remains the same in your jar (because you are not converting it to gas, it only helps electricity go through water) .

So, if you are removing water from your jar but not removing KOH, the ratio of KOH to water increases, Its like having higher KOH concentration and then conductivity increases. More current will be used.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

BennyLava
06-25-2009, 07:59 PM
I dont see how some people are reporting stellar results, and other say they get no gain at all. Even some of the members here are having a hard time getting gains. Yet there are some people out there that will say that it doubled their MPG or some such. What gives?

HHO BLASTER
06-25-2009, 09:03 PM
Something to chew on you got a old car with 150k on it, now you throw a HHO cell on it, even a crappy one with lots of bad steam.

Holy sh*t your car runs better you get better MPG then before you did, now you tell the world about it, your buddy does it to his old car, hell you don't want to dry this on a new car right.

So now you get a idea to make even a better one so you need some SS from your old one, ok you drive your old car with out the HHO, HOLY SH*T NO CHANGE WHAT HAPPENED.

MAYBE YOU CLEANED OUT THE ENGINE OF CARBON AND IT RUNS BETTER AND GET'S BETTER MPG

MY TWO CENTS

Gary

BennyLava
06-26-2009, 03:52 AM
Good point. I bet that happens a lot. But one example would be my buddy's '89 s10 blazer. It's a v6. Well, that vehicle, if im not mistaken, was only supposed to get around 20 MPG city when it was brand new off the car lot. He is up to 32 MPG and all he does is city driving. So, he is getting far better than the automakers ever intended for that thing to get. And i have noticed that it seems to be the old cars that do the best. The newer cars all seem to have to really struggle. It must be something in the simplicity of the older cars, or something in the programming of the newer car's computers. But, even still, it is just a machine. All you have to do is find what is causing the problem and eliminate it. Just a lot more challenging i guess.

cabrera
07-19-2009, 03:44 PM
The newer cars all seem to have to really struggle. It must be something in the simplicity of the older cars, or something in the programming of the newer car's computers.

The newer cars have multiple o2 sensors and a MAF which gives the ECU data. When using an HHO generator, the o2 sensors detect a lean burn situation & send that data to the ECU which then increases the amount of fuel to the engine. A MAF enhancer & 02 spacers are needed in that situation to fool the sensors.

Older cars perform much better.

marchlabs
09-06-2009, 12:11 PM
check out our products on our websites...

Helz_McFugly
09-06-2009, 03:31 PM
you cant make me check out your products on your websites...LOL :p

Boltazar
09-06-2009, 08:51 PM
I'm sold on the volo chip which will pluginto the coneter under the dash. If your using HHO it will lean out the gasoline, compensate for extra oxygen and change the timing (retard it).

M34me
09-07-2009, 09:08 AM
I'm sold on the volo chip which will pluginto the coneter under the dash. If your using HHO it will lean out the gasoline, compensate for extra oxygen and change the timing (retard it).

Are you using it yet?
And is that the ONLY thing you have to do beyond the generator?
Does it work on all applications?

nivaman2
09-08-2009, 10:24 AM
http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10344817-54.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20

Owen_
03-21-2010, 12:37 PM
WOW, No one is more scientific that the people at the local news! Great links, this should still be "sticky", it's so nice that i have never seen a moderator post on this forum, they are really keeping up with things! (who ever they are)

HydroCombustion
04-01-2010, 04:22 PM
Hi Guys,

I came across this amazing YouTube clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7fm_dF8sUw&feature=player_embedded) and just had to post the link. I now understand how HHO really works.

Their website www.fuelforce.co.za is even more amazing, it is long overdue that we get to this level of professionalism!

HydroC

eduardo
02-08-2011, 08:11 PM
I thought I'd start a thread that perhaps could be picked up by the moderators and converted into a sticky at the top of a forum somewhere.

Here's a recent news report that covers HHO.

A Greenville, South Carolina NBC News Team experimented with HHO and found great results in their first try.

http://www.wyff4.com/money/16842225/detail.html?rss=gs&psp=news

After watching this report.....maybe just 10% increase??, when they advertice 100%....it sounds like joke

Mr_The_Carper
09-24-2011, 05:36 PM
Hi Guys,

I came across this amazing YouTube clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7fm_dF8sUw&feature=player_embedded) and just had to post the link. I now understand how HHO really works.

Their website www.fuelforce.co.za is even more amazing, it is long overdue that we get to this level of professionalism!

HydroC
50-70c? :eek:...hahahahaa..yes,it is amazing... :D:D:D

Akito
01-31-2013, 11:17 PM
yes you will have t deal with the ecm.

You cant have everything setup to run on gas still. A lot has to be changed.

Just as you would change things on a diesel, bio-diesel and so on.

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olds maniac
01-09-2014, 09:39 PM
hey all i am new to the site and wanted to share my experiences with you .
i have built 5 different hho generators and am having great results with my latest one
i have it mounted in the bed of my chevy 2500 hd truck and am testing this one now
its former version number 4 was in my truck and i was getting about a 10% savings in fuel usage
it was a 12 plate version drawing about 25 amps the new version is 43 plates 7 groups with 5 neutral plates 4 groups positive and 3 negative drawing around 30 amps and making much more than the previous version
cant wait to run a few tanks of fuel through the truck and figure out what i am saving now
i also want to add a high voltage coil to this system and a pwm (i had one but blew it up )
i also want to add a chip to the computer to enhance the injection system
if anyone has had any experience with the enhancement chips or wiring a high voltage coil i would love some of your ideas
and i will be happy to share my designs
so far the one i am running is a wet cell with flat plate stainless cells i am considering building a myer's set up next

HHOExplorer
05-19-2014, 10:54 AM
Hey - I purchased a Volo HHO edition chip off volo.com. So far I'm happy with the results of it and I can feel the power difference. I have more testing to do with it to see exactly what percent gain it actually is, but I have not yet had a check engine light come on and everything has been running smoothly so far. I'm running at 10-12 amps with a 21 plate dry cell on a 4.6L V8 (gasoline). I also run an exhaust temp gauge and I've dropped 50-100 degrees at all speeds, this is what is suppose to happen.

I think alot of the gains with these are on how you get them set and I have some theories and ideas on how to configure it. The instructions that come with the device tell you to hit the reset button on it once the vehicle is warmed up and the computer is in closed loop status. (so basically after 2-12 minutes, I wait until its fully warmed up to make sure) -I've also heard that another method of resetting this is when the vehicle is cold, so leave it for at least 3 hours, turn the key ahead, reset the chip then startup the vehicle and drive it for a bit.

My theories and ideas:
Unplugging your battery for 1-2 hours will reset your cars computer so it's factory set and has no data. This is a good step to do when adding an HHO cell to your vehicle so the computer can adjust to the change of the cell being added.

The Volo chip HHO edition wires right behind into your ODB II diagnostic port and is permanent. On my install I fused the red wire (hot) so I can disable the Volo chip if needed. With HHO on demand systems (Without a chip, MAF/map enhancer, EFIE) you hear of people saying that they have an excellent tank or two and then their mileage goes right back to what they had before. I have a theory that if you can start out the vehicle without the chip enabled and give it 50 to 250 miles and you have a "good tank" to then enable the chip, reset it and take it from there. My theory is without the chip the engine already starts to lean out the fuel mixture, then adding the chip "should" lean it further.

I think it really depends on the vehicle and really you need to just try every which way until you get the computer "tricked" correctly and to get it to stay that way. I don't believe huge gains are really possible with the Volo chip, I'm guessing 10-30% max, I believe it manipulates your stock map (cars computer) within a safe range.

If you want huge gains are are willing to take the risk get a map/maf enhancer and EFIE and wire it in. An exhaust temp gauge is a must and slowly lean out the fuel mixture until you find your best setting. My only fear with this is that the computer could lean mixture to fast and you'd burn right through a piston or ring. It could happen very fast and once the temp heats up too high the damage has been done. If you can get your truck to do 40mpg the risk may be worth it :-)

I hope this helps and good luck to anyone! It can be alot of work.

Oh and the high voltage coils, I've researched them they look like they really work well, especially for an HHO setup. My next truck I will be purchasing them from bluephoenixignition.com. I want this so bad!

librizz
05-19-2015, 04:53 PM
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DrFission
10-04-2015, 07:18 AM
We've seen it on TV... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw77fUbbkPU

Walter123
01-21-2016, 02:58 AM
The plates were never touched after they were cleaned.


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