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truckman1966
05-01-2009, 12:06 PM
Well i hooked up my acrylic box style wet cell. the vacuum at idle on my toyota was too much to bear for my version 2.1. so i have upgraded! i'm going dry! i'll have pics up soon. I have 21 plates to work with. in the acrylic i had 2-9 plate stacks going -N+N-N+N-. seemed to work really well. not too much heat. so should i continue on this pattern for a dry cell setup? what do you guys think? -N+N-N+N-N+N-N+N-N+N- Got everything to make it happen in that plate setup

truckman1966
05-01-2009, 12:12 PM
oh. and the box style, i measured at 120 degrees, 12V, 15A, got almost 3 LPM. and the stacks weren't wrapped. :)

truckman1966
05-01-2009, 01:37 PM
i have checked the explosiveness in a seconday bubbler. got a couple videos. super efficient cell. just need to make a box that can withstand 18-20 in/hg vacuum. or go dry.

truckman1966
05-04-2009, 11:19 AM
nobody has anything to say about this one? i could really use some input

Q-Hack!
05-04-2009, 03:06 PM
With a -N+N-N+N-N+N-N+N-N+N- @12V you will have a 6V per gap voltage drop. You only need 2V per gap anything more will generate heat. While you might get it to run for a few minutes, after several hours it would overheat and self destruct.

For a 12V setup it is recommended that you use +NNNNN- 7 plates total. You can also string this setup together in series +|||||-|||||+|||||-|||||+|||||- etc. This will give you more plate surface area without increasing the voltage requirement. This concept works with both wet and dry cells.

Hope this helps.

truckman1966
05-04-2009, 07:48 PM
ok so between any given + and - will be 12V. if you were to put no neutral it would be a 12V gap. one neutral, 2gaps, 6V per gap. 2 neutrals, 3gaps, 4V per gap. 3 neutrals, 4 gaps, 3V per gap. 4 neutrals, 5 gaps, 2.4V. 5 neutrals, 6 gaps, 2V. is this correct? if so, and going off everythingi have read here it would be assumed that 4 or 5 neutrals would be optimal. i'm pretty sure i read somewhere that optimum production was at 2.2V gaps. please, correct me if i'm wrong.

truckman1966
05-04-2009, 07:51 PM
based on that logic and having 21 plates to work with, i would opt for a 4 neutral, 5 gap setup. -nnnn+nnnn-nnnn+nnnn- correct?

HHO Student
05-04-2009, 07:58 PM
i have checked the explosiveness in a seconday bubbler. got a couple videos. super efficient cell. just need to make a box that can withstand 18-20 in/hg vacuum. or go dry.

It is better to direct your HHO gas line to the air filter box on the inlet side of the air filter. The hydroxy will still get sucked into the intake manifold and be better mixed so that equal distribution to all the cylinders is achieved. This will also have very low vacuum at this point of entry. And your air filter will help filter out any chemical residue from your electrolyte that would get into your engine which is not healthy for your engine internals. Again, vacuum is not needed since your hydroxy cell is producing positive pressure to push the gas to your entry point.

truckman1966
05-04-2009, 08:04 PM
well i'm already full on my way to dry cell. taking into account that my alternator makes 13.5V and i would run 4n, that would put me at 2.7V per gap. how much extra heat is this going to create? should i run a 5n setup at 2.25V? for my own visualization -> -NNNNN+NNNNN-NNNNN+

truckman1966
05-05-2009, 09:32 PM
ok. i finished and tested version 3.0! my very first dry cell.

http://s712.photobucket.com/albums/ww122/truckman1966/?action=view&current=downsized_0504091721.jpg

i have it set up as a 19 plate. -NNNNN+NNNNN-NNNNN+ my battery static voltage is at12.53V. each plate measures 2.1V per gap. after running for 2 hours, electrolyte temp is 102F i haven't measured amperage or LPM yet. will get on that asap. thanks for all your help so far!

pbt308
05-05-2009, 11:57 PM
Just registered today and came across the discussion about plate arrangements and the voltage differences. I am running a 36 ss plate dry cell on an 03 Chevy Tahoe. The plates are set up NNN+NNN-NNN+NNN-NNNN+NNN-NNN+NNN-NNN. The Light just came on while typing this that i have been wasting 6 plates. Any way Im running baking soda electrolyte and blowing 45 amp fuses. Any suggestions?

truckman1966
05-06-2009, 12:43 AM
first off i would put the 6 extra N's in with the others and make yourself a 4n system. everything i have come to understand, when dealing with amperage, is directly proportionate to your electrolyte solution. more electrolyte = more amps. what is your mixture?

truckman1966
05-06-2009, 01:03 AM
ok. ran for 4 hours, 110F peak. played around with some of the plate setup. went to a 3N and a 1N setup. seems to me that the less N's i used, the more production with not much heat gain. the 3N setup peaked at 115F and the 1N peaked at 120F. still don't have a LPM measurement to go off of though. other than that, i got no leaks!

pbt308
05-07-2009, 12:13 AM
first off i would put the 6 extra N's in with the others and make yourself a 4n system. everything i have come to understand, when dealing with amperage, is directly proportionate to your electrolyte solution. more electrolyte = more amps. what is your mixture?

Ok, today I took my cell apart again. Cleaned and restacked plates in a 4 N set up. We were using baking soda for electrolyte so i had a mess to deal with on the plates. Put it back together and changed to KOH. This thing made Gas like crazy for about ten minutes then blew the 40 amp fuse. I put about table spoon to 3 1/2 quarts. Any suggestions?

H2OPWR
05-07-2009, 12:34 AM
Ok, today I took my cell apart again. Cleaned and restacked plates in a 4 N set up. We were using baking soda for electrolyte so i had a mess to deal with on the plates. Put it back together and changed to KOH. This thing made Gas like crazy for about ten minutes then blew the 40 amp fuse. I put about table spoon to 3 1/2 quarts. Any suggestions?

Either add one more neutral or get a PWM or lower the KOH concentration. Personally I would go to 5 neutrals and a PWM. Then add more KOH and use the PWM to control amps. That is where you will find your best effeciency.

Larry

truckman1966
05-07-2009, 12:18 PM
relevance?

Q-Hack!
05-07-2009, 03:06 PM
relevance?

SPAM... it is quite prevalent at times.

truckman1966
05-07-2009, 09:44 PM
thank you.

pbt308
05-08-2009, 09:50 AM
Backed the KOH down seemed to help. Man that stuff is touchy takes very little to get a reaction. Got a 55 amp pwm ordered. Ill let you know how this works. We did get 22 mpg in town on an 03 Tahoe. Doesnt do so well on Hwy.