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Croghanite
11-18-2010, 01:58 PM
I have a 1988 toyota pickup; 2.4 Liter, 4 cylinder, carburetor. I built a "smack's booster" (http://www.smacksboosters.110mb.com/Smack.pdf) type system but did not use his electrical plate cell example. I used two large stainless grill spatulas.

This is my first build and I just wanted to make something quick figuring I can change the cell out later.

Is this a good design for my truck?

What continuous current level should I be aiming for?

How much Liters per minute should I produce? 1.2 lpm?

How can I get the required lpm with the least amount of current?

Thanks!

lhazleton
11-18-2010, 02:49 PM
Croghanite,
You need to do some research. Using only 2 electrodes (spatulas) will do nothing except make tons of steam & draw lots of amperage. Having 1 anode and 1 cathode is a single cell with 13.8 vdc. is just wrong. The target area you want is around 2vdc. per cell. This can only be obtained by adding bi-polar (neutral) plates between the powered plates (+NNNNN-). This will give you 2.3vdc. per cell, or (+NNNNNN-) for 1.97vdc..
An open bath design is very inefficient to say the least. You are correct, however, that your engine will need about 1.4LPM to see any gains.

Croghanite
11-18-2010, 03:00 PM
Croghanite,
You need to do some research. Using only 2 electrodes (spatulas) will do nothing except make tons of steam & draw lots of amperage. Having 1 anode and 1 cathode is a single cell with 13.8 vdc. is just wrong. The target area you want is around 2vdc. per cell. This can only be obtained by adding bi-polar (neutral) plates between the powered plates (+NNNNN-). This will give you 2.3vdc. per cell, or (+NNNNNN-) for 1.97vdc..
An open bath design is very inefficient to say the least. You are correct, however, that your engine will need about 1.4LPM to see any gains.

Thanks. I figured it was no good but as I said I wanted something quick to get the ball rolling. It is producing .5lpm at 25 amps.

So should I go with smacks electrical cover plate cell or something else?

Will I get gains on smacks design?

lhazleton
11-18-2010, 03:12 PM
Thanks. I figured it was no good but as I said I wanted something quick to get the ball rolling. It is producing .5lpm at 25 amps.

So should I go with smacks electrical cover plate cell or something else?

Will I get gains on smacks design?

What you're working on is a good way to get your feet wet. I think we all started out the same way :D
As I stated before, a 'wet cell' design isn't going to do much. The .5LPM you're getting is mostly steam rather than hydroxy. It's taking more energy to produce the HHO than is being delivered. As you progress in your experimentation, you'll eventually realize this & build a 'drycell' reactor. Mine puts out 2+LPM drawing only 22 amps, and there is no steam, just gas.
Keep on plugging & don't get discouraged. We've all been there..........

This is an old reactor I built last year, but it'll give you an idea:
http://www.youtube.com/user/LeeHazleton

Croghanite
11-18-2010, 03:18 PM
What you're working on is a good way to get your feet wet. I think we all started out the same way :D
As I stated before, a 'wet cell' design isn't going to do much. The .5LPM you're getting is mostly steam rather than hydroxy. It's taking more energy to produce the HHO than is being delivered. As you progress in your experimentation, you'll eventually realize this & build a 'drycell' reactor. Mine puts out 2+LPM drawing only 22 amps, and there is no steam, just gas.
Keep on plugging & don't get discouraged. We've all been there..........

Thanks again. I am just trying to figure out if i will get any gains on the wet cell design. If I cant then I should scrap it and start a dry cell.

BTW all that steam can't be good for an engine!!!!!!!!!

lhazleton
11-18-2010, 03:42 PM
The steam carries KOH or whatever you're using in the electrolyte into the engine. Any aluminum (throttle body, carb, etc.) will be destroyed very quickly.

Croghanite
11-18-2010, 04:41 PM
well that's just great... I reckon I will start a new thread about how to keep steam/ moisture from entering the engine.

lhazleton
11-18-2010, 04:49 PM
Bubblers are generally successful. Some folks make dryers, also, but I still haven't seen one worth building.

rcflyn
11-18-2010, 08:51 PM
the steam in itself won't hurt the engine... Read up on some water vapor threads.. from what I hear, there's an MPG improvement from using water vapor alone... I personally haven't looked into it...

It's the KOH vapors that's bad for the engine (or at least the aluminum parts of the engine)... the important thing is to get the KOH Vapors out of the steam/hho....
But, as Lee said, go with a dry cell... Read, Read, Read, Read, Read some more... I've got a Smack Wet Cell in my van... I'm averaging probably 1-2MPG improvement with it... ONCE, I saw a 4mpg improvement... This is on a 12.5 MPG base line.... But overall, I get 13.5-14.5 mpg running the smack cell.
I've got 3 dry Cells Built, but just don't have the time to yank the smack out and install the Drys...
They're easy to build... Again, Read, Read, Read, Read, then, when you think you have it all embedded into your Brain, go back and Read some more... The info is there... the work is Easy, the parts are readily available...

Croghanite
11-19-2010, 11:10 AM
thanks!

I have been reading for weeks and what I am looking for is a dry cell build. A site that shows step by step build of a dry cell. I have only found sites that show aspects of it and not an actual build/diagram.

Bhart
11-19-2010, 12:32 PM
thanks!

I have been reading for weeks and what I am looking for is a dry cell build. A site that shows step by step build of a dry cell. I have only found sites that show aspects of it and not an actual build/diagram.

Just do a google search for "HHO Dry Cell Plans" and you will get a list of plans.

Croghanite
11-19-2010, 12:51 PM
I appreciate it but I have been searching. Not able to find a thorough build plan.

I found a bunch of pieces of builds but no in depth thorough ones.

lhazleton
11-19-2010, 06:38 PM
I've never seen any actual plans, but if you go to YouTube, type in 'HHO DRYCELL', there are tons of videos. Just look at a bunch of different drycell reactors & it won't be hard to figure out how to build one. That's how I did it!

abe58
11-20-2010, 02:15 PM
If you can send an e-mail adress I'll send you a set of building plans.
P.S. I'm not selling anything.

lhazleton
11-20-2010, 07:58 PM
Abe,
If you have complete building plans for a dry-cell, why not post them here?
I know for a fact it would help lots of newbs. quite a bit!

abe58
11-21-2010, 12:17 AM
Tell me how to down load a 650 KB file and I will.

Bhart
11-21-2010, 02:19 AM
thanks!

I have been reading for weeks and what I am looking for is a dry cell build. A site that shows step by step build of a dry cell. I have only found sites that show aspects of it and not an actual build/diagram.

I did a google search and found this:
http://b2bf.com/downloads/free_hho_plans.pdf

For $49 you can get these plans
http://drycellplans.com/?hop=index40

abe58
11-21-2010, 11:41 AM
Thats a nice cell but we need to be in this to help each other. Not tring to make money off other people tring to learn about HHO.I got my plans when they were Free and they will stay that way.
I built this cell made a few changes and moved on.The cell works good works fine, it's one of Smacks Dry Cell's. Because of the leak of Hexavelent Chromiun I quit running this cell.Working on cell's made with Titanium for now.