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MikeP
04-05-2008, 04:54 AM
USP # 4,936,961
Method for the Production of a Fuel Gas
Stanley Meyer




Related Application: This is a continuation-in-part of my co-pending application Ser.; No. 081,859, filed 8/5/87, now U.S. Pat. No. 4,826, 581.
Field of Invention: This invention relates to a method of and apparatus for obtaining the release of a fuel gas mixture including hydrogen and oxygen from water.
BACKGROUND OF THE PRIOR ART
Numerous processes have been proposed for separating a water molecule into its elemental hydrogen and oxygen components. Electrolysis is one such process. Other processes are described in the United States patents such as 4,344,831; 4,184,931; 4,023,545; 3,980, 053; and Patent Cooperation Treaty application No. PCT/US80/1362, Published 30 April, 1981.
OBJECTS OF THE INVENTION
It is an object of the invention to provide a fuel cell and a process in which molecules of water are broken down into hydrogen and oxygen gases, and other formerly dissolved within the water is produced. As used herein the term "fuel cell" refers to a single unit of the invention comprising a water capacitor cell, as hereinafter explained, that produces the fuel gas in accordance with the method of the invention.
Brief Description of the Drawings

FIG. 1 illustrates a circuit useful in the process. <CENTER>
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FIG. 2 shows a perspective of a "water capacitor" element used in the fuel cell circuit. <CENTER>
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FIGS. 3A through 3F are illustrations depicting the theoretical bases for the phenomena encountered during operation of the invention herein. <CENTER>http://www.rexresearch.com/meyerhy/4936931c.jpg</CENTER>Description of the Preferred Embodiment:

In brief, the invention is a method of obtaining the release of a gas mixture including hydrogen on oxygen and other dissolved gases formerly entrapped in water, from water consisting of:
(A) providing a capacitor, in which the water is included as a dielectric liquid between capacitor plates, in a resonant charging choke circuit that includes an inductance in series with the capacitor;
(B) subjecting the capacitor to a pulsating, unipolar electric voltage field in which the polarity does not pass beyond an arbitrary ground, whereby the water molecules within the capacitor are subjected to a charge of the same polarity and the water molecules are distended by their subjection to electrical polar forces;
(C) further subjecting in said capacitor to said pulsating electric field to achieve a pulse frequency such that the pulsating electric field induces a resonance within the water molecule;
(D) continuing the application of the pulsating frequency to the capacitor cell after resonance occurs so that the energy level within the molecule is increased in cascading incremental steps in proportion to the number of pulses;
(E) maintaining the charge of said capacitor during the application of the pulsing field, whereby the co-valent electrical bonding of the hydrogen and oxygen atoms within said molecules is destabilized such that the force of the electrical field applied, as the force is effective within the molecule, exceeds the bonding force of the molecule, and hydrogen and oxygen atoms are liberated from the molecule as elemental gases; and
(F) collecting said hydrogen and oxygen gases, and any other gases that were formerly dissolved within the water, and discharging the collected gases as a fuel gas mixture.
The process follows the sequence of steps shown in the following Table 1 in which water molecules are subjected to increasing electrical forces. In an ambient state, randomly oriented water molecules are aligned with respect to a molecule polar orientation.
They are next, themselves polarized and "elongated" by the application of an electrical potential to the extent that covalent bonding of the water molecule is so weakened that the atoms dissociate and the molecule breaks down into hydrogen and oxygen elemental components.
Engineering design parameters based on known theoretical principles of electrical circuits determine the incremental levels of electrical and wave energy input required to produce resonance in the system whereby the fuel gas comprised of a mixture of hydrogen, oxygen, and other gases such as air were formerly dissolved within the water, is produced.

MikeP
04-05-2008, 04:54 AM
TABLE 1
Process Steps:
The sequence of the relative state of the water molecule and/or hydrogen/oxygen/other atoms:
A. (ambient state) random
B. Alignment of polar fields
C. Polarization of molecule
D. Molecular elongation
E. Atom liberation by breakdown of covalent bond
F. Release of gases
In the process, the point of optimum gas release is reached at a circuit resonance. Water in the fuel cell is subjected to a pulsating, polar electric field produced by the electrical circuit whereby the water molecules are distended by reason of their subjection to electrical polar forces of the capacitor plates.
The polar pulsating frequency applied is such that the pulsating electric field induces a resonance in the molecule. A cascade effect occurs and the overall energy level of specific water molecules is increased in cascading, incremental steps.
The hydrogen and oxygen atomic gases, and other gas components formerly entrapped as dissolved gases in water, are released when
the resonant energy exceeds the covalent bonding force of the water molecule. A preferred construction material for the capacitor plates
is stainless steel T-304 which is non-chemical reactive with water, hydrogen, or oxygen.
An electrically conductive material which is inert in the fluid environment is a desirable material of construction for the electrical field plates of the "water capacitor" employed in the circuit.
Once triggered, the gas output is controllable by the attenuation of operational parameters. Thus, once the frequency of resonance is identified, by varying the applied pulse voltage to the water fuel cell assembly, gas output is varied.
By varying the pulse shape and/or amplitude or pulse train sequence of the initial pulsing wave source, final gas output is varied. Attenuation of the voltage field frequency in the form of OFF and ON pulses likewise affects output.
The overall apparatus thus includes an electrical circuit in which a water capacitor having a known dielectric property is an element. The fuel gases are obtained from the water by the disassociation of the water molecule. The water molecules are split into component atomic elements (hydrogen and oxygen gases) by a voltage stimulation process called the electrical polarization process which also releases dissolved gases entrapped in the water.
From the outline of physical phenomena associated with the process described in Table 1, the theoretical basis of the invention considers the respective states of molecules and gases and ions derived from liquid water. Before voltage stimulation, water molecules are randomly dispersed throughout water in a container.
When a unipolar voltage pulse train such as shown in FIGS. 3B through 3F is applied to positive and negative capacitor plates, an increasing voltage potential is induced in the molecules in a linear, step like charging effect.
The electrical field of the particles within a volume of water including the electrical field plates increases from a low energy state to a high energy state successively is a step manner following each pulse-train as illustrated figuratively in the depictions of FIG. 3A through 3F.
The increasing voltage potential is always positive in direct relationship to negative ground potential during each pulse. The voltage polarity on the plates which create the voltage fields remains constant although the voltage charge increases. Positive and negative voltage "zones" are thus formed simultaneously in the electrical field of the capacitor plates.
In the first stage of the process described in Table 1, because the water molecule naturally exhibits opposite electrical fields in a relatively polar configuration (the two hydrogen atoms are positively electrically charged relative to the negative electrically charged oxygen atom), the voltage pulse causes initially randomly oriented water molecules in the liquid state to spin and orient themselves with reference to positive and negative poles of the voltage fields applied.
The positive electrically charged hydrogen atoms of said water molecule are attracted to a negative voltage field; while, at the same time, the negative electrically charged oxygen atoms of the same water molecule are attracted to a positive voltage field.
Even a slight potential difference applied to inert, conductive plates of a containment chamber which forms a capacitor will initiate polar atomic orientation within the water molecule based on polarity differences.
When the potential difference applied causes the orientated water molecules to align themselves between the conductive plates, pulsing causes the voltage field intensity to be increased in accordance with FIG. 3B. As further molecule alignment occurs, molecular movement is hindered.
Because the positively charged hydrogen atoms of said aligned molecules are attracted in a direction opposite to the negatively charged oxygen atoms, a polar charge alignment or distribution occurs within the molecules between said voltage zones, as shown in FIG. 3B. And as the energy level of the atoms subjected to resonant pulsing increases, the stationary water molecules become elongated as shown in FIGS. 3C and 3D. Electrically charged nuclei and electrons are attracted toward opposite electrically charged equilibrium of the water molecule.

MikeP
04-05-2008, 04:54 AM
As the water molecule is further exposed to an increasing potential difference resulting from the step charging of the capacitor, the electrical force of attraction of the atoms within the molecule to the capacitor plates of the chamber also increase in strength. As a result, the covalent bonding between which form the molecule is weakened --- and ultimately terminated. The negatively charged electron is attracted toward the positively charged hydrogen atoms, while at the same time, the negatively charged oxygen atoms repel electrons.
In a more specific explanation of the "sub-atomic" action the occurs in the water fuel cell, it is known that natural water is a liquid which has a dielectric constant of 78.54 at 20 degrees C. and 1 atm pressure. [Handbook of Chemistry & Physics, 68th ed., CRC Press(Boca Raton, Florida (1987-88)), Section E-50. H20(water)].
When a volume of water is isolated and electrically conductive plates, that are chemically inert in water and are separated by a distance, are immersed in water, a capacitor is formed, having a capacitance determined by the surface area of the plates, the distance of their separation and the dielectric constant of water.
When water molecules are exposed to voltage at a restricted current, water takes on an electrical charge. By the laws of electrical attraction, molecules align according to positive and negative polarity fields of the molecule and the alignment field. The plates of the capacitor constitute such as alignment field when a voltage is applied.
When a charge is applied to a capacitor, the electrical charge of the capacitor equals the applied voltage charge; in a water capacitor, the dielectric property of water resists the flow of amps in the circuit, and the water molecule itself, because it has polarity fields formed by the relationship of hydrogen and oxygen in the covalent bond, and intrinsic dielectric property, becomes part of the electrical circuit, analogous to a "microcapacitor" within the capacitor defined by the plates.
In the Example of a fuel cell circuit of FIG. 1, a water capacitor is included. The step-up coil is formed on a conventional toroidal core formed of a compressed ferromagnetic powered material that will not itself become permanently magnetized, such as the trademarked "Ferramic 06# "Permag" powder as described in Siemens Ferrites Catalog, CG-2000-002-121, (Cleveland, Ohio) No. F626-1205". The core is 1.50 inch in diameter and 0.25 inch in thickness. A primary coil of 200 turns of 24 gauge copper wire is provided and coil of 600 turns of 36 gauge wire comprises the secondary winding.
In the circuit of FIG 1, the diode is a 1N1198 diode which acts as a blocking diode and an electric switch that allows voltage flow in one direction only. Thus, the capacitor is never subjected to a pulse of reverse polarity.
The primary coil of the toroid is subject to a 50% duty cycle pulse. The toroidal pulsing coil provides a voltage step-up from the pulse generator in excess of five times, although the relative amount of step-up is determined by preselected criteria for a particular application. As the stepped-up pulse enters first inductor (formed from 100 turns of 24 gauge wire 1 inch in diameter), an electromagnetic field is formed around the inductor, voltage is switched off when the pulse ends, and the field collapses and produces another pulse of the same polarity i.e., another positive pulse is formed where the 50% duty cycle was terminated. Thus, a double pulse frequency is produced; however, in pulse train of unipolar pulses, there is a brief time when pulses are not present.
By being so subjected to electrical pulses in the circuit of FIG. 1, water confined in the volume that includes the capacitor plates takes on an electrical charge that is increased by a step charging phenomenon occurring in the water capacitor. Voltage continually increases (to about 1000 volts and more) and the water molecules starts to elongate.
The pulse train is then switched off; the voltage across the water capacitor drops to the amount of the charge that the water molecules have taken on, i.e., voltage is maintained across the charged capacitor. The pulse train is the reapplied.
Because a voltage potential applied to a capacitor can perform work, the higher the voltage the higher the voltage potential, the more work is performed by a given capacitor. In an optimum capacitor that is wholly non-conductive, zero (0) current flow will occur across the capacitor.
Thus, in view of an idealized capacitor circuit, the object of the water capacitor circuit is to prevent electron flow through the circuit, i.e. such as occurs by electron flow or leakage through a resistive element that produces heat.
Electrical leakage in the water will occur, however, because of some residual conductivity and impurities or ions that may be otherwise present in the water. Thus, the water capacitor is preferably chemically inert. An electrolyte is not added to the water.
In the isolated water bath, the water molecule takes on charge, and the charge increases. The object of the process is to switch off the covalent bonding of the water molecule and interrupt the subatomic force, i.e. the electrical force or electromagnetic force, that binds the hydrogen and oxygen atoms to form a molecule so that the hydrogen and oxygen separate.
Because an electron will only occupy a certain electron shell (shells are well known) the voltage applied to the capacitor affects the electrical forces inherent in the covalent bond. As a result of the charge applied by the plates, the applied force becomes greater than the force of the covalent bonds between the atom of the water molecule; and the water molecule becomes elongated. When this happens, the time share ratio of the electron shells is modified.
In the process, electrons are extracted from the water bath; electrons are not consumed nor are electrons introduced into the water bath by the circuit as electrons are conventionally introduced in as electrolysis process. There may nevertheless occur a leakage current through the water.
Those hydrogen atoms missing electrons become neutralized; atoms are liberated from the water. The charged atoms and electrons are attracted to the opposite polarity voltage zones created between the capacitor plates. The electrons formerly shared by atoms in the water covalent bond are reallocated such that neutral elemental gases are liberated.
In the process, the electrical resonance may be reached at all levels of voltage potential. The overall circuit is characterized as a "resonant charging choke" circuit which is an inductor in series with a capacitor that produces a resonant circuit. [SAMS Modern Dictionary of Electronics, Rudolf Garff, copyright 1984, Howard W. Sams & Co. (Indianapolis, Ind.), page 859.]
Such a resonant charging choke is on each side of the capacitor. In the circuit, the diode acts as a switch that allows the magnetic field produced in the inductor to collapse, thereby doubling the pulse frequency and preventing the capacitor from discharging. In this manner a continuous voltage is produced across the capacitor plates in the water bath; and the capacitor does not discharge. The water molecules are thus subjected to a continuously charged field until the breakdown of the covalent bond occurs.
As noted initially, the capacitance depends on the dielectric properties of the water and the size and separation of the conductive elements forming the water capacitor.
EXAMPLE 1
In an example of the circuit of FIG. 1 (in which other circuit element specifications are provided above), two concentric cylinders 4 inches long formed the water capacitor of the fuel cell in the volume of water. The outside cylinder was 0.75 inch in outside diameter; the inner cylinder was 0.5 inch in outside diameter.
Spacing from the outside of the inner cylinder to the inner surface of the outside cylinder was 0.0625 inch. Resonance in the circuit was achieved at a 26 volt applied pulse to the primary coil of the toroid at 0 KHz, and the water molecules disassociated into elemental hydrogen and oxygen and the gas released from the fuel cell comprised a mixture of hydrogen, oxygen from the water molecule, and gases formerly dissolved in the water such as the atmospheric gases or oxygen, nitrogen, and argon.
In achieving resonance in any circuit, as the pulse frequency is adjusted, the flow of amps is minimized and the voltage is maximized to a peak. Calculation of the resonance frequency of an overall circuit is determined by known means; different cavities have a different frequency of resonance dependant on parameters of the water dielectric, plate size, configuration and distance, circuit inductors, and the like. Control of the production of fuel gas is determined by variation of the period of time between a train of pulses, pulse amplitude and capacitor plate size and configuration, with corresponding value adjustments to other circuit components.
The wiper arm on the second conductor tunes the circuit and accommodates to contaminants in water so that the charge is always applied to the capacitor. The voltage applied determines the rate of breakdown of the molecule into its atomic components. As water in the cell is consumed, it is replaced by any appropriate means or control system. Variations of the process and apparatus may be evident to those skilled in the art.

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07-03-2008, 11:53 AM
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ELECTR0N3RD
07-03-2008, 08:30 PM
Isnt Stan Meyers the guy who had built a fully functional WATER powered car?, and got killed for it?

Dewayne
07-12-2008, 07:41 PM
I just created a circuit board layout for the Meyer PWM. I created two boards. One for the Power/Cell circuits and another one for the timer circuits.

I had to make the timer board a double sided one. My skills at double sided boards isn't that good.

These circuits aren't magic. It's just two NE555 timers connected back to back.

Now I need the circuits to make an EFIE that will take care of the MAP/MAF and o2 sensor.

I don't know if any of you have thought of using SS hose clamps for the connections inside the cell cavity. Buy long ones and then cut the size you need out of the non-screw area.

kajreklaw
07-14-2008, 06:32 PM
http://www.mcmaster.com/

almost everything you need for building a HHO electrolyser.

dennis13030
07-14-2008, 07:26 PM
Isnt Stan Meyers the guy who had built a fully functional WATER powered car?, and got killed for it?

I don't think you should say that Stan Meyers was killed for building a water powered car unless you can prove that statement.

cougar gt-e
07-25-2008, 12:34 AM
Has anyone made his dealie? Too complex for me, but there must be some electronic types here?

vrticeman
07-25-2008, 07:52 AM
I have made one from scratch. It is not that difficult, just time consuming. I bought all my supplies from radio shack except a few from an online electronic distributor. www.mouser.com. I haven't been able to test the unit as of yet due to design with the heat sink.. I undersized it and it got my board hot. I am in the process of moving it to an isolated heavier duty heat sink. I am not completely sold on the PWM thing yet. They do reduce heat and amp draw. I think the whole key is in the design of the cell. I think the key is in multiple independent cells in series.

Roland@KnR
07-26-2008, 07:57 AM
Stanley Meyer, Water-Fuel Cell Inventor & Promoter, Dies Suddenly
by Eugene Mallove

Stanley A. Meyer, the controversial Ohio inventor who had claimed his technology could produce a hydrogen-oxygen mixture with a minimal energy input (compared with conventional electrolysis) died on March 21, 1998. He had gained a world-wide following of adherents and people who had invested in his activities --- Water Fuel Cell (Grove City, OH). He was famous for his claimed "water fueled car" which was exhibited symbolically in the BBC/CBC 1994 documentary on cold fusion, "Too Close to the Sun".

There were also those who were initially curious about Meyer's work, such as the editor of this magazine, the late Christopher Tinsley of the UK, and the late Admiral of the British Navy, Sir Anthony Griffin, but who became frustrated by being unable --- or, more to the point, not allowed --- to confirm (or reject finally) Meyer's claims.

I have absolutely NO DOUBT today that Stanley Meyer was his own worst enemy. IF --- and a very big IF --- he had discovered the technological process that he had said he had, there is no way that a reasonable, straightforward marketing strategy would have failed to make his technology quickly spread worldwide. He could have become very influential and very rich.

There remains a very strong suspicion that he had no such process, even though he conducted a demonstration (before this writer and another engineer at the Meyer lab in 1993) of the production of copious hydrogen/oxygen gas from what visually seemed like a small input power. But Meyer was exceedingly paranoid and he flatly refused reasonable requests by us and others to test the performance --- the input/out power ratio, even with the proviso that we did not have to "look into his black box" of electronics feeding his rather simply constructed stainless steel electrode, alternating current and voltage cell. The last such refusal --- this one in public and recorded on video tape --- was at the ANE meeting in Denver CO in 1997. Then Meyer loudly and falsely protested to me that he would "lose his patent rights" if he were to release anything but complete, integrated systems --- such as a water-fueled vehicle. Excuses, excuses, excuses...

In 1996, Meyer lost a long-lasting Ohio civil court battle accusing him of "egregious fraud" against a former associate. As was Meyer's custom, he ascribed this and other alleged assaults on him to various conspiracies. To television cameras he suggested that he had been offered huge sums of money to "suppress this technology", but that he had refused those sums. One had the impression that he really believed that there were conspiracies against him. That is a tragedy, a very compounded tragedy if he had actually come up with something novel and useful that he was hiding.

This is a very complex human and scientific story that we shall want to cover in greater detail in a future issue of Infinite Energy. There are other processes and inventions that suggest that splitting water molecules with much greater efficiency than with conventional electrolysis may be possible. Certainly there are other novelties within water --- "cold fusion" to be sure --- that really do produce prodigious quantities of energy, but not in the mode Meyer claimed. For now, here are some of the facts surrounding Meyer's death:

He was apparently eating dinner at a Grove City OH restaurant, when it is reported that he jumped up from the table, yelled that he'd been poisoned", and rushed out into the parking lot, where he collapsed and died. It has been reported by Meyer's associates that Meyer had just secured funding for a $50 million research center near Grove City, but there is no way to confirm or reject this at the moment.

HYDROTEKPRO
07-26-2008, 10:07 PM
I don't think you should say that Stan Meyers was killed for building a water powered car unless you can prove that statement.

I think we SHOULD say that Stan Meyers was killed for building a water powered car, unless you can disprove that statement. We all know that's what happened. So what's the big deal?

cougar gt-e
07-27-2008, 03:13 PM
I think we SHOULD say that Stan Meyers was killed for building a water powered car, unless you can disprove that statement.

You're joking, right?

Dewayne
07-27-2008, 04:19 PM
Why don't one of you contact the county coroner and find out what the cause of death was. Stop speculating and get the facts.

kajreklaw
07-28-2008, 04:45 PM
Official cuase of death= aneurysm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer



why does it matter how he died, you're not going to get rich off of this stuff and neither is anyone else..there's simply too many of us out there to "corner" the market... if you plan to sell your invention then sell something THAT REALLY WORKS!!!! I'm all for making money off of a generator that works everytime on demand with little or no interaction from the driver... Like I said there's hundreds IF NOT THOUSANDS of us tinkering with HHO generators- BUT there are millions who won't ever try to get it to work, none the less they still deserve to get better mpg's and a chance to flip off the oil companies / government / car makers... so stop worrying about how ONE MAN died and help make this a reality! if you are a "lone wolf" and don't want to help out the rest of us working on this, then just shut up with the conspiracy/negativity/butt-hole-ness, and leave the rest of us alone to get this working so we can help others.

i'll give myself a big AMEN to that.

computerclinic
07-29-2008, 09:56 AM
Conspiracy always makes for a good story, but it does nothing for the research itself. The man should be allowed to rest in peace, and his ideas should be left for us all to prove, improve, and apply.

dennis13030
07-29-2008, 10:17 AM
I think we SHOULD say that Stan Meyers was killed for building a water powered car, unless you can disprove that statement.

That would be irresponsible to do that. The information concerning his death is available to all who seek it.

See the section marked as "Meyer's Death"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer

See the section marked as "Coroner’s report"
http://www.need2know.eu/?p=410

In general, all coroner’s reports are considered PUBLIC records and are available to anyone.

It does not surprise me that the death of anyone in the "Lime-light" would spur conspiracy theories.

smartHHO
07-30-2008, 03:26 PM
ok,


here is a thought for all of you to ponder. If, and this is a BIG if, he was poisoned. How hard would it to be to BRIBE the coroner with say, a few million to LIE about it in the report. Come on ppl, money talks. Or, he could of just died from his brain being burnt out from too much current.

HHOhoper
07-30-2008, 03:33 PM
ok,


here is a thought for all of you to ponder. If, and this is a BIG if, he was poisoned. How hard would it to be to BRIBE the coroner with say, a few million to LIE about it in the report. Come on ppl, money talks. Or, he could of just died from his brain being burnt out from too much current.

I don't remember if Stan Meyer said this or if it was someone else. At the time I believe this was said, I think it was in the 80's. They said that the U.S. spends over $2 BILLION dollars a year in oil to the middle east. If something like HHO or alternative fuel cars threatened that income, why would'nt they spend that much or more to stop it? It's only common sense! Putting morals and ethics aside, if I were a business owner, I would invest everything I could to keeping my business alive if it were threatened. Why wouldn't they? Now putting morals and ethics back in the picture, I wouldn't do something to imprison mankind to fossil fuels either- but that's just me.

I don't know the real truth behind Mr. Meyer's death, but I can say that if he were murdered because of his HHO developments, it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

COMP
07-30-2008, 03:41 PM
I don't remember if Stan Meyer said this or if it was someone else. At the time I believe this was said, I think it was in the 80's. They said that the U.S. spends over $2 BILLION dollars a year in oil to the middle east. If something like HHO or alternative fuel cars threatened that income, why would'nt they spend that much or more to stop it? It's only common sense! Putting morals and ethics aside, if I were a business owner, I would invest everything I could to keeping my business alive if it were threatened. Why wouldn't they? Now putting morals and ethics back in the picture, I wouldn't do something to imprison mankind to fossil fuels either- but that's just me.

I don't know the real truth behind Mr. Meyer's death, but I can say that if he were murdered because of his HHO developments, it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

i agree ,,,,,,

kajreklaw
07-30-2008, 09:53 PM
in that case who did kill JFK??

better yet ---what does that have to do with the high price of rice in ASIA??
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does anyone have a good & safe alternative for increasing the current? a buddy of mine gave an idea= from battery to inverter (12v up to 120v) then to the generator... next question- how about if you throw a pwm in between the inv. & gen., i guess it would have to be capable of handling up to 120v???

I know ther's a few BSEE or equivalent eduction/experince, would you please let me know if this would work??? many thanks!!!!:)

ps= meyers had EXTREME production using only distilled water! we've all seen the replicas on youtube, and they aren't producing the same as what he was getting.. he had some type of device that increased the current.. he had to have been using something with that production!!! it's like he had hydroxy on steroids!!LOL!!:D

BigTruck
08-09-2008, 11:42 AM
Sorry for posting to a dead thread, but here goes. I think Stan Meyers had figured something out and now He is as dead as this thread. The thread opens with his patent info and gets buried in the details of his death. Stan left us a lot of clues in his patents and that is where we should focus. If the forum works as a team, then maybe we can figure it out.

We are going to need more HHO than we are getting from current cells. How did Stan get it. The patent talks about pulsating current. Has anyone done any experimenting with oscillators? Vibrating the molecules is supposed to make it easier for them to split.

COMP
08-09-2008, 11:51 AM
i'm still lurking :D

kajreklaw
08-09-2008, 05:06 PM
Sorry for posting to a dead thread, but here goes. I think Stan Meyers had figured something out and now He is as dead as this thread. The thread opens with his patent info and gets buried in the details of his death. Stan left us a lot of clues in his patents and that is where we should focus. If the forum works as a team, then maybe we can figure it out.

We are going to need more HHO than we are getting from current cells. How did Stan get it. The patent talks about pulsating current. Has anyone done any experimenting with oscillators? Vibrating the molecules is supposed to make it easier for them to split.

Big Truck - exactly my point!

I don't know how to build oscilators, but isn't a PWM going to produce the same effect??? or are you saying that the polarity needs to be changed with in the electrodes constantly??

The Voltage Intensifier Circuit is a bifilar pancake coil transformer which provides distributed capacitance and inductance to the tube sets in the Cell. Its function is to manage the transfer of potential through the Cell, while inhibiting the passage of current by the circuit.

* In the WFC, Current performs no work, and is considered counter-productive, and a waste of energy.
* A perfect WFC would pass no current whatsoever, merely switching massless potential (Voltage) between the electrodes.
* The challenge is to trigger the sudden catastrophic dielectric breakdown within the Cell, between electrodes, while inhbiting the passage of current between them. When this occurs, all current required to effect the breakdown must be pulled from solution.
* Meyer left a subtle element out of the patents, to protect his technology; the fact that the VIC coil is wound of bifilar wire, as found in many Tesla devices.
my buddy called it a "glorified voltage inverter", it probably is, but Meyers had incredible production!! he did something right!

mec1995
08-09-2008, 08:49 PM
I don't think you should say that Stan Meyers was killed for building a water powered car unless you can prove that statement.

The general opinion is that he was. Stanley Meyer was poisoned shortly after featuring his 100% water powered buggy on television. Coincidence? My *ss! And we worry about Human Rights issues in China--heheh, we should look in our own country first. As long as there is money to be made from oil, the bullying will continue.

And what about Joe Cell? The poor guy got a visit twice from the MIB who threathened his family and children. Joe destroyed all his research shortly after that and went in hiding for more than a year. Fortunately a lot of his research, videos, and plans were already released on the internet before the incidents.

I believe I remember a couple other guys, one in England (killed), one in India (killed), and another in the USA (killed). All of these guys used plans from Joe Cell and all had obtained the same beautiful results. Free energy. Not even a drop of fuel.

If you like to learn more about the process, do a google search for Joe Cell.

-mec1995

GOplayer
08-20-2008, 08:42 PM
Mike! Thanks for this detailed posting here; I find it very informative and will study it. What are your thoughts on this: Voltage Intensifier Circuit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ3x5X9LxTA)
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GOplayer
08-20-2008, 09:42 PM
Jeremy Rifkin’s book Hydrogen Economy states it even better: (paraphrasing here) “Oil under the ground for those who owns the land or the right to drill, is as good as money in the bank.”
Question: Would you walk away from your own bank account today? Thus far I yet to meet a parson who say yes. So why would one of the most powerful companies, their board of directors and power brokers let a technology like an effective HOD generator devalue their assets practically overnight?
As of 8/2008 the known oil reserves are still larger than all crude oil used up and with enhanced drilling techniques the remaining reserves are going to yield more oil per oil filed compare to early productivity when their efficiency was around 30% and 70% is left behind underground. In short: There are still enormous reserves (huge monetary assets) are waiting to be drilled for and the only way to stop this or at least slow it down is to devalue it. So we are onto a race: Thousands of us are working to find a way to harness the power of water. The Oil industry / powerbrokers are now ready to pull off the greatest plan to preserve their power: Distributed Hydrogen! Very simple: They are going to use fossil fuel to generate hydrogen because that is the “only cost effective way to do it” Sure, they want us to believe it! Billions are being invested already to start converting the fuel distribution network to accommodate for hydrogen tanks. This is a “bone” for the “liberals” to chew on, while they’ll drive their Hydrogen vehicles proudly thinking how they are now helping the environment, and most will have no clue that the hydrogen they burn is going to come from fossil fuel where the manufacturing byproduct is carbon monoxide and if those who are concerned what happens with that vast amount of carbon gases…the oil companies have their answers: “We’ll pump it back underground where the oil came from.” Sure they will. (some of it maybe). Now the question is: Drill for oil, process it, distribute it, keep on spending huge resources to do all that when an ordinary water hold more energy than oil has and no need to do all that work to get it. So my 2 cent on this is this: Keep our focus on questions that brings us closer to solutions we all are seeking:
1: How much HHO would it take to run my vehicle? (We need a reliable calculation, a reference table for different engine sizes.) Do you know any? Thus far I read numbers estimating 30-90 Liter of HHO per minute, depending on engine size and driving conditions/ demand. Yet this could be calculated fairly easily with the right formulas and data about engines.
2: Which HOD Generator comes close to or reaching this level of HHO production? (Is there a reliable independent testing group for HOD Generators?) –I am working on funding one, unless I find one already doing it-
3: What electronics package needed for each make and model of vehicles to run the HOD Generator?
4: Who are the trusted installers? (Come on, most people won’t even think do it themselves! Don’t you believe me? See how many people make an attempt to change their flat tire in the US for instance?) Ah, they call roadside assistance for help. So we’ll need expert installers. There is one company I found gearing up for such mechanics training: Dutchman Enterprises, LLC in NJ USA. (Too bad they already have significant reputation challenges. I wonder why? Part of the multibillion investments oil companies are doing is to discredit the opposition? I would be very surprised if the oil companies did not do their part to “pave the road” for their Distributed Hydrogen plans.
Z

buffordboy23
08-22-2008, 02:04 PM
Very interesting idea....apply a large voltage potential to breakdown the dielectric (water).

I had some questions though.

Does anybody know the dielectric strength (not the dielectric constant) for water? I have searched the web and found no info.

With the breakdown of a dielectric, a conducting path is formed. So how do you prevent the eventual current that will occur between the conducting plates?

I do not know much about Stan Meyer, but supposedly, he ran his car only on water. This is impossible according to the laws of physics, because it is a closed system. Energy must be input into the system initially to split the water, and since you are only combusting the products to reform water, chemistry is very precise is saying that you will get exactly this much energy back if the process is 100% efficient. Since no process can be 100% efficient you lose. This is why Daniel Dingle and his water-only car fails as well. This will only work with divine intervention, because there is no such thing as free energy.

I saw someone mention something about the Joe Cell. I came across this link, skimmed through it briefly, and stopped reading it after numerous claims that have no scientific basis whatsoever.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Joe_Cell

GOplayer
08-23-2008, 08:43 PM
What is the Voltage that you are using to power your HOD Gen?
and another one for the timer circuits.
What is the spectrum of the frequency at which you can pulsate the Voltage? How do you restric Amp flow?
Thanks
Z

I just created a circuit board layout for the Meyer PWM. I created two boards. One for the Power/Cell circuits
What is the Voltage that you are using to power your HOD Gen?
and another one for the timer circuits.
What is the spectrum of the frequency at which you can pulsate the Voltage? How do you restric Amp flow?
Thanks
Z

I had to make the timer board a double sided one. My skills at double sided boards isn't that good.

These circuits aren't magic. It's just two NE555 timers connected back to back.

Now I need the circuits to make an EFIE that will take care of the MAP/MAF and o2 sensor.

I don't know if any of you have thought of using SS hose clamps for the connections inside the cell cavity. Buy long ones and then cut the size you need out of the non-screw area.

GOplayer
08-23-2008, 09:09 PM
Sorry for posting to a dead thread, but here goes. I think Stan Meyers had figured something out and now He is as dead as this thread. The thread opens with his patent info and gets buried in the details of his death. Stan left us a lot of clues in his patents and that is where we should focus. If the forum works as a team, then maybe we can figure it out.

We are going to need more HHO than we are getting from current cells. How did Stan get it. The patent talks about pulsating current. Has anyone done any experimenting with oscillators? Vibrating the molecules is supposed to make it easier for them to split.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi2mkgLlMDw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApNoTaq8B7w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPl-p26XV8c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPl-p26XV8c)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE2S2VYdsrk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE2S2VYdsrk)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6twRCAEHSY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6twRCAEHSY)
I am studying these films: Thus far my understanding is that we need high voltage, pulsate it at “some” frequencies and restrict Amp flow. Unless someone has the data and willing to share it as to what is the DC Voltage (I heard 20,000Volts) and frequency of the PWM I just have to have a custom transformation built with a microcontroller and actuator (if I am using the right terminology here) and experiment myself. I am hoping that more people will do the same and eventually we’ll get it. The other possibility is to use multiple HOD Generators and switch the current flow among them in a rapid rate. This should produce the PWM effect while using the brute force of electrolysis of one HOD Generator yet producing HHO in multiple canisters. The idea is simple in principles but I am not yet in possession of such switch. Anyone out there going down this road? (FYI: My first notion was to keep this idea to myself and do it first but the reality is, we are all better off working openly because if anyone makes a significant headways and tries to profit from it by pulling significant resources and attention, that person can and probably will be silenced by current power brokers, one way or another. The only chance that we have is to work decentralized way and in huge numbers. To kill so many of us is very unlikely, so my vote is to give everything I know free and hope to be able to contribute to the common effort.)

Painless
08-23-2008, 09:45 PM
Looks like all but the last video have now been removed due to copyright claims. Shame the diagrams in that last video are not clearer.

Dewayne
08-23-2008, 11:41 PM
What is the Voltage that you are using to power your HOD Gen?
and another one for the timer circuits.
What is the spectrum of the frequency at which you can pulsate the Voltage? How do you restric Amp flow?
Thanks
Z

I'll be using 12vdc.

The resonate frequency of each generator is different. It should be between
20khz - 30khz. I don't understand why 99% of the PWM being sold only go up to 400hz.

The generator I am building produces very little heat, so current (Amps) is not one of my concerns.

Dewayne
10-01-2008, 04:52 PM
I modified the design of the Dan Lawton PWM so that I have a higher frequency range.

I received the connectors for the PWM and completed the build up with the exception of the mosfet or amp (depending on what I want to use for the plate driver.)

I powered up the board and I had one small problem which was easy to correct.

Here is a pic of the unadjusted output. When I feel like my brain is totally working i'll do some sdjusting on it.

As you can see it's running at about a 50% duty cycle.

The PWM by it's self draws about .05 amps @ 13.8V.

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w1/n0ssy/DSCF0412.jpg

thesecrets
10-24-2011, 08:51 PM
Glad to see the lawton circuits actually work for some ppl. I have tried all the different versions of Lawton's circuit, and am not impressed. I got nothing but a square wave generator and tiny bubbles. I also tried the 'Cramston' pll circuit, which is a joke. The only circuit I was able to get any results from was the Stan Meyer 8XA circuit I purchased online as a kit, http://www.stansdream.com/stan_8xa_board.htm . It puts out more HHO than any circuit I've tested to date. I am glad I stopped wasting my time with Lawton's bunk and found something that actually works. I'm glad to see it worked for someone though... Are you using any step-up or toroids on the output?

SLMZ00
11-06-2011, 01:51 PM
Just a couple questions. Great website!

I find it confusing because so many use brute force techniques and argue with efficiency studiers. They are part of the same big picture but employ different methods. I'm glad to see so much improvement in production in general over the years.

1. I see many people exclude the secondary part - induction coils - and/or info in this area is cloudy or MIA. Has anyone achieved the "pulse train of unipolar pulses" that effectually builds the voltage (thousands of volts) in the water capacitor?

2. Seeing this approach has alot to do with tuning, has any engineer or inventor constructed a cell that precisely follows the principles of capacitor production? ie. taking into account all factors related to the dielectric used (water) and specific working voltages desired. Probably has to be measured in cubits lol.

3. Has anyone injected the feedback of the pulse back into the circuit to make it "variable" or "self-harmonizing" as suggested by some websites?

I think because of the brute force scene, cell production technique is obscured. It only makes sense that the dimensions of the cell and materials would only apply to a specific electronic setup. There are constant themes revolving around resonance, frequency and escalating pulses suggesting the cell must promote harmonics.

I've accumulated lots of transistors, ics, coils, caps and transformers from old tvs. I am ready to build a driver but of course want to take the best EFFICIENT approach.

jerpri969
12-01-2011, 10:11 PM
We at the University have taken Mr. Myers into great consideration into developing our On demand HHO System. He was a brilliant inventor, and will be remembered as the spark that started a new evolution to the free energy world.

we a experimenting right now with extremely high voltages and very low amperage within the electrolysis design to see if 10,000 volts with .005 amps (50 Watts) at the right frequency will give us more or the same output of hydrogen and oxygen. furthermore, we are separating the atoms, storing them up to about 45 PSI, and recombining them in the combustion chamber. This allows for safe compression, extraction of water mist, and a much more pure form of HHO to enter the combustion chamber.

Help is always welcome

jerpri969
12-01-2011, 10:15 PM
Dewayne,
good point, i think most of the PWM's on the market are:
1. Fake
2. For something other then the cause of HHO
3. UN-educated individuals trying to make a buck.
4. all three of the above statements... :)

sampojo
06-16-2012, 11:23 PM
Great to see some people trying this out. We got Tony Woodside making kits available at globalkast.com, and irondmax at http://www.stanleymeyerwebshop.com/ selling boards. Aussies at thehydrodgenshop sells them. and hydrogenwaterfuel.com too. I don't to run the car on water, I just dont want to redesign the cars electrical system to get high enough conventional HHO output. I don't think I am getting enough HHO out of my mileage shop unit, about 1 lpm, running about 10 amps. It supposedly will make steam about 22 amps. I maybe got 1.5 lpm at +18. Couldn't get a good fuel usage calculation until I beat the +/- variation from fill-up to fill-up, and even corrected the 3% error on the odo. I notice the power increase, but overall I don't think I am getting enough production and I have been fooling myself watch a lucky drive in (no lights), getting maybe 32mpg on the scangauge. I think the ECU is cancelling out what benefit the HHO is giving. I have tried what mileageshop suggests, resetting the ECU and letting it learn with the HHO, nothing to write home about. Put a volo chip on, nothing much. Put a homemade wetcell in conjucntion, pretty sure got 2+ lpm, great power, mileage may have dropped! I am driving a 2002 Buick Century. Any way, Upping the output took +25amp and that alternator was much hotter than the top of the motor. So it just seems a better idea to find a way to get more HHO for less brute force amperage. But the biggest problem is the ECU. So you have to tune it. I am trying to build some Jaycar kits for the job. Of course they aren't off the test bench yet. See this article: http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/D17.pdf. I don't feel like spending a thousand bucks to get everything put together and still not work, so its the slow way or no way. But assuming I get past the tuning, then its a higher output, lower amp circuit to build next. The Meyer kits not hearing that anyone has got them working yet, coil looks pretty tricky. Seeing some good vids on youtube on the Lawton circuit. Pretty sure it will get up to a few lpm under 5amps. The coil is much simpler. Also the neutral plate technology looks wrong on most dry cells for this type of circuit working by high voltage. needs +/- plate to plate pretty sure...

mechtogo
06-30-2012, 06:17 AM
http://www.mcmaster.com/

almost everything you need for building a HHO electrolyser.. Mike hho connections suggested I post on here.shorted Pwm cell is fine the electrolyte is ok suspect.bad Pwm.

mechtogo
06-30-2012, 06:31 AM
I have a 19 plate dry cell and having problems with PWM. Shorting out code eo1 comming on sometimes or e03 don't know what to check next???

RustyLugNut
06-30-2012, 12:59 PM
How is this university research going?

Any success recreating the work of Meyer?

customj79
07-23-2012, 11:28 PM
I used a size 8 and size 6 stainless steel hydraulic tubing after the break in the cell produces a lot of gas almost as much as meyers cell produce took almost a month for it to produce a good amount of HHO the circuit i use is a motor pwm with NTE2376 N-channel Mosfet and for the capacitor i use .68 uf works well no heat build up for about 1 hr works even better with a dell computer power supply 19v at 4.6 amps powering the pwm only problem is that can not use more than 3 tubes it will shut off due to the load. Single cell will fill a rubber glove in 3 min. Dont be discouraged with the meyers type cell the break in takes some time i let it run for 8 hrs on the pwm drained the water refilled and bam that thing produces without a alternator and coil so just have to find the right combo on the road now but will try some EMI steel tubes mounted not just in a bottle and check pressure want to get 15 psi goal