VW TDi Jetta 1.9L

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09-30-2011, 02:05 PM
evangelos

VW TDi Jetta 1.9L

Hello,

I am new to HHO but have installed my kit. I would like to know if its worth installing a venturi. At this point i have the feedline aprox 6" before the turbo which is the standard location from what i have read. I have read that adding a venturi will greatly improve the setup but i have a problem; I do not want to install anything inside the air duct incase a fluke situation happens where the venturi breaks loose and then my turbo blades get wrecked.

I was considering purchasing a venturi for hot tubs

link

and remove the spring and ball (stopper) and install it on the outside of the air tube.

installation would be fairly straight forward; 2 (3/4) on the air tube going to the turbo and the HHO attached to the venturi. I assume the turbo will air through the venturi even though its mounted on the outside.

has anyone have any experience with this concept?

Evan
09-30-2011, 03:13 PM
lhazleton

I may be mistaken, but I believe the gas should be induced after the turbo. The reason doesn't come to mind at the moment, but I know that there is info here about it somewhere. I do know that if even a slight amount of e/lyte should travel past the bubbler, the turbo would be toast.
09-30-2011, 03:54 PM
evangelos

i am not a mechanic but a turbo has succession (vacuum) and after the turbo condenses the air (pressure) before the injection. so the feedline must be air filter side.

On my first tank using HHO the engine was very responsive but then again it was using 25amps and that was too much for a little 1.9L engine.

a youtuber mentioned his mileage increase by 20% by adding a venturi on his TDi style engine (not a vw engine) instead of a simple feedline before the turbo. now, you can build a venturi but since I already use them to make Biodiesel i was thinking of adding to the feedline but wanted to avoid adding the unit inside the air duct.

something that crossed my mind was have a 3/4" hole in the air duct attached to the output of the venturi and attaching a small K&N air filter on the air input side of the venturi; this way when the turbo sucks in air it will get it from the stock duct and the new aux (venturi) except the venuri will have HHO on vacuum so as the engine demand more fuel it will suck more hho as well perhaps having more of a consistant HHO through the rpm range?

how does that sound???

can you guys visualize it?
09-30-2011, 05:07 PM
myoldyourgold

Even though I have had good luck with my Mercedes injecting into the air cleaner here is a quote by Stevo and I am quite sure he is right.

Quote:

you should inject after the turbocharger and if you don't have a diaphragm style boost system then you need to try and find a EVAP purge line which might be connected to a solenoid and tee into that with a one-way check valve. Another tee into the intake arm is needed for boost conditions.

Now maybe Stevo could give you some details on the after the turbo set up which I have not tried.
10-01-2011, 04:39 AM
Mr_The_Carper

HHO installed after the air filter and before the turbo---installed before the entrance one or two filters for petrol, as a possible condensate separator
-Jetta will go like a bullet..only the PWM.... and enhancer on the signal wire MAF / P sensor if you want .. nothing else is needed

-0.8 lpm max,or do not go over 6Amps -gas must be clear, no fog, without forcing electrolysis.

- Passat Wagon 1.9TDI---4L diesel fuel/100km...If you believe ... if not, can not help you ;)
10-01-2011, 09:04 AM
evangelos

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_The_Carper

- Passat Wagon 1.9TDI---4L diesel fuel/100km...If you believe ... if not, can not help you ;)

you are getting those results with your hho/passat tdi? that is very good. can you upload a picture of your setup please.

at this point i do not have any electronics but was considering the Volo chip. Do you guys think its a waste of money and I am better off with a pwn or ccpwn?

My engine is chipped and has larger nozzles and really has tons of power but I swapped the ecu (chipped) for a stock ecu to see if I will get more mileage but still in the testing phase. Not sure if I should put back the stock nozzles or add some higher quality nozzles that create better atomization and more fuel delivery (these nozzles work that way).

I increased the electrolyte yesterday and that thing MOVES.

that for all the help and direction.

evan
10-01-2011, 09:56 AM
Mr_The_Carper

Quote:

Originally Posted by evangelos

you are getting those results with your hho/passat tdi? that is very good. can you upload a picture of your setup please.

at this point i do not have any electronics but was considering the Volo chip. Do you guys think its a waste of money and I am better off with a pwn or ccpwn?

My engine is chipped and has larger nozzles and really has tons of power but I swapped the ecu (chipped) for a stock ecu to see if I will get more mileage but still in the testing phase. Not sure if I should put back the stock nozzles or add some higher quality nozzles that create better atomization and more fuel delivery (these nozzles work that way).

I increased the electrolyte yesterday and that thing MOVES.

that for all the help and direction.

evan

In Croatia VW are the most popular cars, because most Croats believe Germany technology...Otherwise we are traditionally friendly with Germans..
-passat,Golf 2,3,4...these motors are great accept HHO
-I dont have Passat...my car is Skoda..VW motor 1.9 diesel

-You do not need Volo chip .. in this diesel engine does not need anything except the amount of HHO to increase the use of motor.
-You can not go wrong-just the amount of HHO gas that I have written-easy to raise or bring it down amps with PWM

-with enhancer take away or add a diesel fuel
-Do not complicate simple things---first You put the HHO generator
and look for the ideal gas volume ,when the car becomes more powerful, sensitive to the gas, the better the speed-thats it.
-still only drives and monitors fuel consumption...If you have any problems about fuel consumption, then looks for another solution...

-throw any kind of electronics in motor-forward does not make sense---otherwise .. volo chip is garbage..
10-01-2011, 12:32 PM
evangelos

let me provide some background:

i have a jetta mk4 (1.9L) and mk5 (1.9L) but now only the mk4 is running on HHO.

mk4 options:

* larger nozzles (205)
* chip
* the modifications gave me 10% more mileage when my wife drives the car
* installed wet cell HHO at aprox. 20amps stable and got 200km extra on the tank with 100% Biodiesel not diesel.
* removed the ecu that was chipped and added the stock ecu and reduced electrolyt to 10amps and lost 100km
* now i am with stock with 15amps and the power is fantastic; you see when i can the chipped ecu i had a lot of power to the redline. Now i have power to the redline but no modified ecu BUT running at 15 amps.
* i do not think I am taxing the alternator at 15 amps.
* my other problem is that if i have power i drive like a madman. of course this is the case because i make my fuel but biodiesel is not good in the cold Montreal winter weather (-35C).

*I am waiting for a dry cell to arrive from

http://www.hho2u.com/Best_hho_dry_cell_design.html

just to test the difference. The seller told me the same thing that volo is not required and even no electronics once the electrolyt is stable.
10-01-2011, 01:17 PM
myoldyourgold

Quote:

*I am waiting for a dry cell to arrive from

http://www.hho2u.com/Best_hho_dry_cell_design.html

just to test the difference. The seller told me the same thing that volo is not required and even no electronics once the electrolyt is stable.

If this reactor you are waiting for does what they claim it does (it will not) I will be very surprised! If it does then how much more would a properly built and configured reactor do. I base this on the information on the the their web site. I will not go into details in running down something I consider junk or worse.
10-01-2011, 01:26 PM
evangelos

can you list something better?

HHO is new to me....

I make my own fuel that I use for most of the season but that will end someday and I want to have my option available. At this point HHO is good, my present wet cell is giving me 20% mileage improvement.

is there anything else that can provide superior results? just list them, i will not be heart broken or bothered. This is "experimental" after all.
10-01-2011, 01:44 PM
Mr_The_Carper

Quote:

Originally Posted by evangelos

let me provide some background:

i have a jetta mk4 (1.9L) and mk5 (1.9L) but now only the mk4 is running on HHO.

mk4 options:

* larger nozzles (205)
* chip
* the modifications gave me 10% more mileage when my wife drives the car
* installed wet cell HHO at aprox. 20amps stable and got 200km extra on the tank with 100% Biodiesel not diesel.
* removed the ecu that was chipped and added the stock ecu and reduced electrolyt to 10amps and lost 100km
* now i am with stock with 15amps and the power is fantastic; you see when i can the chipped ecu i had a lot of power to the redline. Now i have power to the redline but no modified ecu BUT running at 15 amps.
* i do not think I am taxing the alternator at 15 amps.
* my other problem is that if i have power i drive like a madman. of course this is the case because i make my fuel but biodiesel is not good in the cold Montreal winter weather (-35C).

*I am waiting for a dry cell to arrive from

http://www.hho2u.com/Best_hho_dry_cell_design.html

just to test the difference. The seller told me the same thing that volo is not required and even no electronics once the electrolyt is stable.

20A?! OK...:cool:
-but this "best cell" with 3 holes is a sh1t...dont buy that...if you want buy a good cell then with 1holes in the top...250W for 1lpm is not a cell,that is zombie who eating amps...
-my alternator is 70A-----20A cell in my car is like a suicide :eek:
-greater load on the alternator-greater fuel consumption

-fiat stilo 1.4 16V--6A cell 19 electrodes 5n..0.7lpm...6l/100km
-before hho 7.5-8l /100km
-no effie..nothing....

-you have poor result with a jetta....but youre car-youre choice...I dont want be boring and tiring....I drive my 1.9L vw motor 4l/100km...just a 0.4lpm...4.5A max...the purest and most powerful hho that can produce
10-01-2011, 05:43 PM
BioFarmer93

yEAH, i WENT THERE AND READ UP ON IT ALSO... Whoops, sorry.. It's just more junk.. It just depresses me that so many sellers understand so little about their products. Let me look around, maybe I can find something that with a little work can be made acceptable...
10-01-2011, 06:04 PM
evangelos

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_The_Carper

-you have poor result with a jetta....but youre car-youre choice...I dont want be boring and tiring....I drive my 1.9L vw motor 4l/100km...just a 0.4lpm...4.5A max...the purest and most powerful hho that can produce

but we have the same engine and the only difference might be the nozzles depending where you are in world.

20A was on my first try but none the less at this point the results running on 15amps is superb equal to a stage 3 map.

your 1.9L 4L/100km is with stock nozzles?
upgrade 5th gear?
what type of cell are you running?
what is your driving ratio ex. 100% autorout?
what temp does your cell run at?
is your cell installed behind the bumper or in the engine bay (behind the rad?)
do you use a venturi that applies vacuum to the HHO?

can you please post some pictures of your install (send me a PM and I will give you my email adress), it will be greatly appreciated as I do have a 2nd install to do...

which cell(s) do you recommend?

thanks for the help
10-02-2011, 02:23 AM
Mr_The_Carper

Quote:

Originally Posted by BioFarmer93

yEAH, i WENT THERE AND READ UP ON IT ALSO... Whoops, sorry.. It's just more junk.. It just depresses me that so many sellers understand so little about their products. Let me look around, maybe I can find something that with a little work can be made acceptable...

this cell with 3 holes We worked in the Croatia-HHO forum also ... the horror of the cell
-hole in the middle, the leaking current and cell begins to produce steam
-usefulness of gas is up to 5A max, the bigger amps gas is poor, useless
-in fact I do video comparisons of the average cell with that garbage.
-closing the middle hole of cells is more effective ... 30%
-Yet it remains a hole in the bottom ... a big hole 8.5mm in a row-that Holes and pulling 4A too much..too big holes...
10-02-2011, 02:54 AM
evangelos

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_The_Carper

20A?! OK...:cool:
-but this "best cell" with 3 holes is a sh1t...dont buy that...if you want buy a good cell then with 1holes in the top...250W for 1lpm is not a cell,that is zombie who eating amps...
-my alternator is 70A-----20A cell in my car is like a suicide :eek:
-greater load on the alternator-greater fuel consumption

-fiat stilo 1.4 16V--6A cell 19 electrodes 5n..0.7lpm...6l/100km
-before hho 7.5-8l /100km
-no effie..nothing....

-you have poor result with a jetta....but youre car-youre choice...I dont want be boring and tiring....I drive my 1.9L vw motor 4l/100km...just a 0.4lpm...4.5A max...the purest and most powerful hho that can produce

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_The_Carper

this cell with 3 holes We worked in the Croatia-HHO forum also ... the horror of the cell
-hole in the middle, the leaking current and cell begins to produce steam
-usefulness of gas is up to 5A max, the bigger amps gas is poor, useless
-in fact I do video comparisons of the average cell with that garbage.
-closing the middle hole of cells is more effective ... 30%
-Yet it remains a hole in the bottom ... a big hole 8.5mm in a row-that Holes and pulling 4A too much..too big holes...

can then suggest a cell that works?
I am new to this kind of stuff so can you please refer me something that works.
10-02-2011, 05:45 AM
Mr_The_Carper

Evangelos@
-15 electrodes 120x100mm.. -NNNNNN+NNNNNN-
-1 hole in the top 8mm
-down in the corner 1 hole 4mm left,then next electrode right, next left again and so to the end .. right-left-right-left to the last electrode
-water inlet and outlet gas on one side...rubber seal, 2-3mm
--AMPS 6-8 max

if you difficult this cell, make a 100x100 with o-ring seals... in the same way
10-03-2011, 05:19 PM
aladin

this is available also for the 1.8 T Skoda ( on gas, not diesel)? 150 hp, 20V
I need the same amount of hho/minutes as an 1.9 diesel engine? About HHO 0.4lpm ?
I need an small unit. I do not have enough place on my engine. It is very tight there.

I also I am afraid because the gas is very explosive..:( ( I always have ..children and wife in my car )
Where to read some data about the best materials, electrodes ,steel, rubber, etc? some links?
Thank you
10-04-2011, 04:02 AM
aladin

1 Attachment(s)

steel plates

Thank you

That is what I understand from your explanations. Also I have many unknown variables..
Please see the attachment

If I make mistakes, please correct me
Dan
10-04-2011, 08:44 AM
Mr_The_Carper

Quote:

Originally Posted by aladin

Thank you

That is what I understand from your explanations. Also I have many unknown variables..
Please see the attachment

If I make mistakes, please correct me
Dan

that is O.K.
look this
http://i53.tinypic.com/2e56scj.jpg
http://i55.tinypic.com/2aj2v4p.jpg

In Romania, the winters are cold like in Croatia- so you can move up polarity ... 6n winter or 5n --4n summer
-on 4n the cell is very fast,no need strong electolite
-for winter you mast have 15% NaOH on 5n or 20% on 6n-:D
10-04-2011, 08:59 AM
Mr_The_Carper

Quote:

Originally Posted by aladin

this is available also for the 1.8 T Skoda ( on gas, not diesel)? 150 hp, 20V
I need the same amount of hho/minutes as an 1.9 diesel engine? About HHO 0.4lpm ?
I need an small unit. I do not have enough place on my engine. It is very tight there.

I also I am afraid because the gas is very explosive..:( ( I always have ..children and wife in my car )
Where to read some data about the best materials, electrodes ,steel, rubber, etc? some links?
Thank you

ss304 or ss316l...
cut with sharp scissors-I "borrowed" where I work last rubber of the JCB :D:D
-very good rubber...hahahah..
-you can buy o-rings for 100x100 plates...

-gas is not dangerous if you do that well .. just ride and enjoy it, believe me-while I'm alive HHO does not go out of the car
09-23-2016, 06:11 PM
fotorebelion

what do you use for chip?

i read on this forum people talking about chip on their TDI.. what chip is this?

QUOTE=evangelos;46705]let me provide some background:

i have a jetthey i read on this thread about using a mk4 (1.9L) and mk5 (1.9L) but now only the mk4 is running on HHO.

mk4 options:

* larger nozzles (205)
* chip
* the modifications gave me 10% more mileage when my wife drives the car
* installed wet cell HHO at aprox. 20amps stable and got 200km extra on the tank with 100% Biodiesel not diesel.
* removed the ecu that was chipped and added the stock ecu and reduced electrolyt to 10amps and lost 100km
* now i am with stock with 15amps and the power is fantastic; you see when i can the chipped ecu i had a lot of power to the redline. Now i have power to the redline but no modified ecu BUT running at 15 amps.
* i do not think I am taxing the alternator at 15 amps.
* my other problem is that if i have power i drive like a madman. of course this is the case because i make my fuel but biodiesel is not good in the cold Montreal winter weather (-35C).

*I am waiting for a dry cell to arrive from

http://www.hho2u.com/Best_hho_dry_cell_design.html

just to test the difference. The seller told me the same thing that volo is not required and even no electronics once the electrolyt is stable.[/QUOTE]