Originally Posted by
DigitalMocking
I, like MrSmith of these forums, am a skeptic by trade and personality. If it's too good to be true, it has to be has been my mantra most of my life, and it's served me well so far. After reading his dedicated writeup, many of the other threads here and on some other forums, I can't say I'm a believer yet, but I'm willing to experiment on my own. I've ordered the necessary parts to build my own HHO reactor, and I have a few things going into this project that should make it relatively easy to quantify my results. I'm an active Hypermiller right now. I check and adjust tire pressure on my car weekly and I keep pretty anal retentive records of my gas mileage. If adding HHO and changing my car's F/A ratio and timing increases my gas mileage, I'll be the first to raise the believer flag and do what I can to convert others.
I currently drive a 1994 jetta 5 speed manual with the 2.0 engine in it. In mixed driving over the last 10 tanks of gas I'm getting 24.1mpg, which is just above the revised EPA numbers for my vehicle. Gas usage is measured via GPS readings, not the speedometer, as the vehicle has larger aftermarket tires installed. I've been considering going back to stock, thinner tires for some time now, but for the duration of this test, I don't want to change anything.
These are my thoughts going into this project;
It's current 6:32AM and I've been reading all night and I'm still having trouble figuring out where the increase in MPG is coming from at all. The law of Conservation of Energy tells me that the total energy of a system will remain the same, regardless of what I do with it in the middle. If I'm using energy to create HHO, the output of that energy even in a 100% efficient system will still be the same after I use the HHO to help propel the car forward. We all know the alternator hanging on our ICE engines aren't near 100% efficient.
The best thing I can come up with is that the HHO mixed with the fuel is acting as a catylyst that's having a significant change in the energy output of the resulting detonation. In theory, if we measured all of the emissions from an HHO/gas system, we should see less overall emissions from that vehicle because more of the mass went into the detonation to propel the car forward. The amount of energy released by burning the gasoline/HHO mixture would have to be higher than the energy needed to produce the HHO and the normal detonation of an equal amount of gasoline. That's the only way this would work, make the detonation more efficient in terms of energy released vs physical byproduct. Unfortunately I can't find any science to back that up, no one has done energy release tests of HHO/Gasoline mixtures, nor emissions captures from HHO vehicles.
What bothers me most overall to be honest are the amount of snake oil salesmen who have been attracted to HHO, the worst of the bunch seems to be the pyramid scam of water4gas.com. I have additional concerns about the long term viability of an HHO plant, production of noxious and poisonous byproducts and how we deal with their disposal.
I also wonder if a lot of the supposed increases in mileage don't come from people being aware of their driving habits. I have a 2004 jeep grand cherokee with the big v8 in it. When my wife drives it, she sees 15mpg on average sourced over her last 10 tanks of gas. I took the jeep for about 2 months, I see 21mpg on average, doing mostly the same driving, but I practice a lot of hypermilling and I check and adjust my tire pressure once a week.
So please, don't think I'm going into this starry eyed about how wonderful it'll be to get 35mpg from my beater Jetta. I've seen enough in the way of documentation from some levelheaded people that I want to test it out for myself. The overall cost is very small (less than 100 bucks) to build a test system to see if adding about 1lpm of HHO to my jetta will have any effect.
I plan on building a simple plant like the one MrSmith has outlined and doing the adjustments to the ECU via vag-com software and lemmiwinks.
I'll detail my build, and results in this thread going forward. If anyone has any comments on some of the questions raised, I'd love to hear them. I'd really like to understand where the increase in efficacy of the fuel is coming from.