If you aren't intending to store each gas separately you can just put a diaphragm membrane on each side to separate the gasses. I'll provide more information on the membrane material as soon as my German friend and I work out some details.
If you aren't intending to store each gas separately you can just put a diaphragm membrane on each side to separate the gasses. I'll provide more information on the membrane material as soon as my German friend and I work out some details.
While I am curious about your experiment, I am also frightened by the risk you are taking. Most of the designs that I have seen recommend a 5 psi cutoff switch so that the pressures do not build up in the electrolysis unit. I believe that the added oxygen has no effect on the remaining O2 at end of combustion. Air contains between 18% to 21% O2 depending on altitude and the additional O2 from your HHO unit will not increase that significantly. However, the hydrogen speeds up the combustion so the fuel is consumed before the end of combustion and the exhaust is cooler and more O2 rich. I don't believe that removing O2 will effect this at all. But I do not want to discourge anyone from experimenting. Just please be safe.
You may be interested in this link:
http://peoplesnewenergy.com/home
There is a fabric that could be used to keep hydrogen & oxygen bubbles separate, or rather to prevent them from mixing as they're made on opposite sides of the space between two plates in a dry cell, but that will not break down in KOH (even at elevated temperatures) and will probably allow fluid flow to a small extent, and therefore current flow as the fluid can permeate the fabric - I'm not too sure about how permeable this fabric is to KOH, not having experimented on it, but it is a woven type fabric, so would probably work.
this fabric is goretex, which is a Teflon fabric made by DuPont. It 's probably not too difficult to obtain (buy an old goretex raincoat for example).
The dry cell would need to be designed so that there are separate vents for each of the two gases, not unlike an AlfaLaval plate heat exchanger in principle.
Just food for thought...
After a little more research found this link; http://www.youtube.com/user/myhydrog...16/V07eSsMslL0 . this design uses silk as a membrane - not sure how it would stand up to NaOH or KOH though.
Drafty...
I guess you might not have noticed, but it has been nearly 2-1/2 years since this thread had any activity before your response. I hope they still check in from time to time, because the goretex sounds like a good idea. I was going to use a double layer of heavy tightly woven dacron myself.
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The gortex membrane might be of use but because it uses a chemical bond, it might not stand up to the base and continued heating and cooling (on and off) of the reactor. Rip stock(nylon) that has been treated to make it water proof has the same problem. The teflon itself is not the problem. I would like to know if anyone has tried it? Not cheap though. I researched it a few years ago and without going back and looking at my notes I passed it by for some reason so have not tried it myself. Maybe I missed something. The fact is, if H20 can get through then the gases can too unless the fiber can soak up the water and not really pass it through. This would not be possible with a teflon coating though. There are similar products out there since the patent has expired and could be worth a second look.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb."
ONE Liter per minute per 10 amps which just isn't possible Ha Ha .
three chamber separator tow chemically treated membranes one that allows the hydrogen to bas through the heavier gas sinks to bottom of chamber. The lighter gas oxygen ascends to top of chamber through it's membrane. or use a wet cell double chamber production system that produces each gas separately.
the negative side produces one gas the positive side produces other you can do it in a dry cell that has only three plates the center is solid stainless both sides have a hole at top and bottom making hydrogen on one sie oxygen on other but this yields low production even when you add a electromagnetic field to up production and add a resonance sound generator using a modern forlecent curlily cue light bulb and and ear but head phones you need to coil four inches on to get the resonator to work and it burns out quickly need the proper risister for long time use. you coil wire 3/4 way up on the dry cell one direction and reverse the wire in opposite direction to create magnetic field. leave the center absent for the electromagnetic coil.
I have not been able to test resonator or the electromagnet coil much to up production but thought i put this info out their just wanted to explain the separation of the two gases. through either the membrane system or simply producing separately.
To produce in a wet cell i included a document.
This is impossible. The center plate becomes a bipolar plate and produces gas on both sides.you can do it in a dry cell that has only three plates the center is solid stainless both sides have a hole at top and bottom making hydrogen on one sie oxygen
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb."
ONE Liter per minute per 10 amps which just isn't possible Ha Ha .
http://m.youtube.com/results?q=elect...f%20water&sm=1 (my phone wont let me put it at the end)
At the risk of resurrecting a dead thread everyone may have given up on id like to point out that electrolysis of water was originally used to seperate the hydrogen from the oxygen and proved the stoichiometry of water being 2 parts hydrogen to 1 part oxygen. it seems to me that improving on that design rather than reinventing the wheel? (Or the hydrogen bonb in this case) ill attach a youtube video to demonstrate.
http://youtu.be/OTEX38bQ-2w
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Please watch this video.
I successfully separate hydrogen from oxygen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2zA4rTTDOw