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Well then go purchase the system and install it on your vehical and then tell us how much gain you get if any. Could be negative or it could be positive let us know what the out come is.Originally Posted by Roland Jacques
P.S. A video showing a whole lota bubbles and car sounds "broom broom" is lame and proves nothing.
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Question; If it takes around 10 amps at 12 volts to make one litre/m hho, and a guy on utube had a suzuki 3 cyl 1000 cc idling on 5 litres/m 100% hho @ (1000 rpm), does that mean that at 5000 rpm the engine would need around 25-35 litres/m ? If so, a 4000 cc engine would need say 4 x 35 litres/m = 140 litres/m.
Ok, For my australian 245 cu/in ( 4000cc) hemi 6 cyl.
Using 140 litres/m; That equates to 120 watts x 140 = 16800 watts
/ by 12 volts = 1400 amps @ 12 volts. (highway speed / acceleration)
4 X 350 amp alternators and a suitable battery/circuit will make around 1400 amps at 12 volts.
The trunk will be full of cells, water, wiring, battery, radiators, bubblers, flame arrestors but on paper it could/should work????
Answers will be appreciated. Thanks Lok.
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Some things we don't consider is the condition of their engine. (like that Suzuki) A worn out engine may take VERY little to idle. typicly a worn out engine has little internal friction. But when you put a load on it, were it has to move something, that's when they fail to measure up.
A new engine may demand a lot more HP to idle so it would need more fuel. The friction from good fitting piston rings, good high compression, high oil pressure from tight tolerances, good strong spring tension on valves...
You really can't conclude much from a engine idling. IMO
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One must remember that at an idle some alternators are barely producing any amperage and if you try and draw more it would stall the engine. Some produce more than others. One thing for sure is at higher amp draw you require more HP than what is produced at idle. The point is at idle the amount of hho is much smaller than at higher RPM where you are using most if not all of what you are making in HHO just to run the alternator.
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ONE Liter per minute per 10 amps which just isn't possible Ha Ha .
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Please, have a look to this post
http://www.hhoforums.com/showthread.php?t=6274
Running H is different than running HHO.
For HHO operation requires either HHO on demand via electrolizer, bubbler for de-steam the gas and properly mix it, dryers, etc. Running on H only requires an electrolyzer but discarding the O (anode) production using a bell covering the cathode.
H can be compressed for allowing fit on a small bottle large amount of gas, but requires its cooling down -100ºC ( P*V = nRT, noble gases equation ).
In case of requiring ambient temp and pressure storing of hydrogen, this company might be useful
http://www.cellaenergy.com/
They make a tank that allows the ambient temp & pressure hydrogen storage, combining gas and H.
As stated before, storing HHO on tanks is a very UNSAFE AND DANGEROUS approach, as it selfs-ignites due static sparks (which are also created by air ionization by the wind friction, as I am sure you are aware of), apart that you have to manage the proper freezing and pressuring on a very particular way.
You may try to approach the problem by storing H and O on different tanks/bottles and combine them using valves.
That's my thought.
Please, keep posting. It's interesting.
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