Anyone ever open up a commercial HHO generator?

[sheriffav8r]

What do the pro's use for HHO generation? They have 110V machines that put out specific amounts of HHO and I would be interested if anyone has seen the inside of these tried and true machines. I've got my 316 .031" SS and plan on mounting it in a polypropylene 3/8" container that is slotted to fit three sides of my plates. The top will stick up out of the water so there won't be any stray voltage. Now I'm just trying to figure out the proper spacing. Seems like everyone is going with extremely close spacing. I probably can't get my slots closer than 1.5 - 2.0 mm.... Then I'll be able to easily test different electrode setups and spacing designs. Any thoughts?

[sheriffav8r]

Bueller, Bueller?

[sheriffav8r]

Okay, my point is this: SRA H2O water torch is fairly small (15x11x14), uses only distilled water, puts out 80lph (1.3lpm), and only uses 476 watts at 110 or 220V. It appears they aren't using rocket science. 476 watts is about 4.3A x 110VAC or 34A x 13.9VDC. This seems doable....

http://sra-solder.com/h20.htm

or this 1200lph (capacitor enhanced!): http://www.watertorch.com/buytorch/E...ec%20Sheet.pdf

or this discussion on the same 1200lph model: http://www.eagle-research.com/browng.../erserie1.html

Here are some good sites for calculators:

http://www.ifigure.com/engineer/electric/electric.htm
http://www.opamplabs.com/eirp.htm

[SpecHunter]

Okay, my point is this: SRA H2O water torch is fairly small (15x11x14), uses only distilled water, puts out 80lph (1.3lpm), and only uses 476 watts at 110 or 220V. It appears they aren't using rocket science. 476 watts is about 4.3A x 110VAC or 34A x 13.9VDC.

Wow, Sounds to me like we should just buy a good power inverter and one of them bad boys popped into the trunk,hehe

[LoveToSail]

Wow, Sounds to me like we should just buy a good power inverter and one of them bad boys popped into the trunk,hehe

Hmmm........why not?

[JonDoh]

Yep.... I concur

[Jaxom]

Did anybody bother to calculate the efficiency of that device? It gets 2.8 MMW. That's horribly inefficent. Add the inverter losses and you have one of the most inefficent cells out there.

It would take 35 amps to drive that on your 13.5v charging system. My genny puts out over twice the HHO at that power level.

[sheriffav8r]

I guess my questions go more to reliability than efficiency. If we can duplicate some of their success at home (distilled water and reliable production) we might have something. They are using capacitors and 240V to run a 1200W unit at 5A through a bridge rectifier, if I understand correctly. They have no heat because they have 120 cells and relatively low amperage. This uses 3 watt hours per liter. I don't know what the conversion to the current lingo is or if this is horribly inefficient or not.

I'm thinking 60 cells at 120V rectified to DC. 600W would be 2V @ 300A using 5A rectifiers according to their calculations. 300W (2.5A rectifier) = 2V @ 150A. Amps equals HHO production and they don't have heat issues because there is no transformer to deal with. Their capacitors act as an amperage regulator or something to keep the current constant. They look pretty big in their pictures. This is the older model and it's info:

http://www.eagle-research.com/browng.../erserie2.html

Here's some of the ER1200 and the silver capacitors on top:

http://www.eagle-research.com/browng...0/er12002.html

[SpecHunter]

By the looks of that link, they put all the bells and whistles on that thing.... construction so heavy that they brag that the cell (electrolizer) can withstand an explosion even if the bubbler fails.and cooling with no fans ,etc.

[sheriffav8r]

Well, now I just have to start taking baths in distilled water while I'm blow drying my hair to be safe.... He, he, he.... I'm not buying one of these units, just trying to replicate some of their success. These companies cater to businesses that need HHO on a reliable basis and aren't some fly-by-night "boost your MPG by 50%" dudes....