Anyone ever open up a commercial HHO generator?

[Dustin]

http://stores.ebay.com/Hydromagic-Energy-Systems

Very interesting reading. They claim their small generator will produce enough hydrogen out of 1 liter of water to fuel a 4 cylinder car running 60 mph for 7214 miles. They say it only costs $2.15 of electricity to make that 1 liter of water to usable hydrogen.

Visit their store and there is a boat load of information on there. True or not....I don't know.

My question is:

Could you buy say an older (mid 90's) Cavalier or whatever and take the 4 cylinder engine out of it and mount it on a stand? The engine would be connected to a 12kw generator (which requires around 40 hp to run) via belt or whatever would work. If you overdrive the output speed to the generator by 30%, then the engine would run somewhere around 1385 rpm to meet the required 1800 for the generator. The engine could be enclosed in a small shed out of the elements and would make no more noise than a car idling. Their figure of 7214 miles divided by 35 mph (I'm just going off of my average speed I get each tank fill) is 206 hours. With 168 hours in a week, it would cost $1.74 in electricity each week to run my total electric home. I've heard a that any excess electricity you make and feed back into the grid has to be purchased from you by the utility company.

I just don't see powering my home for $1.74 a week....of course this dosen't include the cost of the water!!! LOL. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to do this but....

[hg2]

http://stores.ebay.com/Hydromagic-Energy-Systems

Very interesting reading. They claim their small generator will produce enough hydrogen out of 1 liter of water to fuel a 4 cylinder car running 60 mph for 7214 miles. They say it only costs $2.15 of electricity to make that 1 liter of water to usable hydrogen.

Visit their store and there is a boat load of information on there. True or not....I don't know.

My question is:

Could you buy say an older (mid 90's) Cavalier or whatever and take the 4 cylinder engine out of it and mount it on a stand? The engine would be connected to a 12kw generator (which requires around 40 hp to run) via belt or whatever would work. If you overdrive the output speed to the generator by 30%, then the engine would run somewhere around 1385 rpm to meet the required 1800 for the generator. The engine could be enclosed in a small shed out of the elements and would make no more noise than a car idling. Their figure of 7214 miles divided by 35 mph (I'm just going off of my average speed I get each tank fill) is 206 hours. With 168 hours in a week, it would cost $1.74 in electricity each week to run my total electric home. I've heard a that any excess electricity you make and feed back into the grid has to be purchased from you by the utility company.

I just don't see powering my home for $1.74 a week....of course this dosen't include the cost of the water!!! LOL. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to do this but....

You might want to take a second look at the claims this company's making.The largest unit they have has an output of 3000 ml per minute and there are 1000ml in a liter,that means the output is ony 3 liters per minute.The motor you spoke of to use run with just hho will require about 4000 LPH(that's over 65 LPM) just to MAYBE run it at idle.As they say,do the math.

[H2OPWR]

Okay, my point is this: SRA H2O water torch is fairly small (15x11x14), uses only distilled water, puts out 80lph (1.3lpm), and only uses 476 watts at 110 or 220V. It appears they aren't using rocket science. 476 watts is about 4.3A x 110VAC or 34A x 13.9VDC. This seems doable....

http://sra-solder.com/h20.htm

or this 1200lph (capacitor enhanced!): http://www.watertorch.com/buytorch/E...ec%20Sheet.pdf

or this discussion on the same 1200lph model: http://www.eagle-research.com/browng.../erserie1.html

Here are some good sites for calculators:

http://www.ifigure.com/engineer/electric/electric.htm
http://www.opamplabs.com/eirp.htm

No one puts out any HHO with distilled water alone. Distilled water is an insulator. It simply will not conduct any electricity. YOU NEED SOMETHING THAT CONDUCTS ELECTRICITY IN THE WATER TO MAKE HHO. Do not beleive anyone who claims HHO production from either distilled water or steam. It simply can not work period.

[H2OPWR]

Please do not beleive any of these outragious claims. If any of this actually worked it would be on the six oclock news and these people would be the richest people in the world. They are nothing but snake oile salespeople.

[sheriffav8r]

What I'm looking at replicating is NOT from the outrageous claims people. It's from industrial HHO generators that cost anywhere from $4K to $30K apiece and are used for large manufacturing processes. I don't believe these guys sell junk to industry. Their products look solid and well made. I'm NOT trying to replicate ANY of the HHO for cars stuff. I'm looking at 120 or 240V setups that are heavy duty. I do agree that some of the industrial units probably use a form of solid electrolyte polymer of some sort, though.... I was mainly trying to vet the 120V @ 5A idea with bridge rectifiers at only 5A of power instead of transformers at 30A and above....

[hg2]

What I'm looking at replicating is NOT from the outrageous claims people. It's from industrial HHO generators that cost anywhere from $4K to $30K apiece and are used for large manufacturing processes. I don't believe these guys sell junk to industry. Their products look solid and well made. I'm NOT trying to replicate ANY of the HHO for cars stuff. I'm looking at 120 or 240V setups that are heavy duty. I do agree that some of the industrial units probably use a form of solid electrolyte polymer of some sort, though.... I was mainly trying to vet the 120V @ 5A idea with bridge rectifiers at only 5A of power instead of transformers at 30A and above....

After looking at the site a second time It does say hydrogen generator meaning it produces H2 only(just guessing doesn't really say).Still here's where I start to have my doubts,this was posted using a large tank of H2 in such a short time.




Originally Posted by mytoyotasucks
my brother wants to do the same, he bought an old chevy with a V8, and had it running un just hydrogen which came in a bottle from a welding shop, and it only lasted 20 min, and cost $60, and this is a 5' tall bottle.




I don't know how far you comute every day,but I can't see any way this unit can fill a high pressure tank for enough H2 to be practicle.Besides even if it could,how much room do have for mutiple 5' tanks plus the generator?This is just my opinion.

[Jaxom]

These units don't look like junk or scam to me. They're just big and bulky and expensive and not very efficient. Industry rarely cares about power consumption, they just want something that works reliably and does what they need it to do. We have different priorities.....since most of us are trying to do this on an automotive electrical system our power supply is limited, which means efficiency is second only to functionality. Anyone can build a genny that will produce a lot of HHO, if you have enough power to feed it. Unfortunately, a 1200 watt genny will draw 100 amps from a 12v supply. That means you'd need a dedicated alternator to power JUST the generator, regardless of the voltage/current balance. The high-V low-C idea has it's merits, but HHO output is limited by power input no matter how you look at it.

[hg2]

These units don't look like junk or scam to me. They're just big and bulky and expensive and not very efficient. Industry rarely cares about power consumption, they just want something that works reliably and does what they need it to do. We have different priorities.....since most of us are trying to do this on an automotive electrical system our power supply is limited, which means efficiency is second only to functionality. Anyone can build a genny that will produce a lot of HHO, if you have enough power to feed it. Unfortunately, a 1200 watt genny will draw 100 amps from a 12v supply. That means you'd need a dedicated alternator to power JUST the generator, regardless of the voltage/current balance. The high-V low-C idea has it's merits, but HHO output is limited by power input no matter how you look at it.

It's not easy to make an efficient H2 generator,I looked different ways to build one a few months ago and never could find one that was efficient or with any real high output.

[Jaxom]

Exactly. Production is easy, just build it big and pump power into it until you get the production you want. Efficient is far more difficult.

[Static HHO]

Yes they are. I can't believe the guys that keep buying those glass hand grenades. If production rate is equated to the plates' surfaces (sq.in.) these glass thingy would need to fill up your trunk, to get enough gas production.
I've got a box of old prototype WFCs if anyone is interested. From Smacks to my own design; none give you the reliability I need, nor the production.
Now, I only build closed WFC systems. The plates are sandwiched between rubber gaskets (1/16" gasket material around the perimeter of each plate). Easy to build, easy to change config. Easy to use. Solid. No heat build-up because there is very little edge current produced by this design. Edge current equals amp draw, equals heat. Heat, not a good thing.
Cheers, HHO-ing in N. GA