Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 27

Thread: winter is coming

  1. #1
    cosimo Guest

    winter is coming

    I've herd all kinds of aditives to add in your electrolyte to keep from freezing. Does any one know what is the best and safest way to keep from freezing ?

  2. #2
    I'm surfing a bit here looking for the same answer. Apparently no one knows?

    Makes me wonder if this doesn't have something to do with why the auto manufacturers aren't producing anything with HHO. Other than the Acura powered supercar, The Scorpion, I haven't seen this technology used mainstream.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Posts
    5
    what happens if you throw a little anti-freeze in there?

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    159
    The recommended concentration of KOH (28% by weight or roughly 2 pounds per gallon of distilled water) will not freeze in your home freezer, but I'm not sure about colder climates.

    If you don't use that high of concentration or if you're still concerned, use denatured alcohol which is available by the gallon at Lowe's.

    Here is a pretty good idea of how to use it:

    8 ounces (1 cup) of denatured alcohol per gallon will protect against freezing down to about 10F.

    16 ounces (two cups or 1 pint) per gallon of water will protect down to 0F.

    24 liquid ounces (3 cups) per gallon will protect down to -15F.

    and, 32 ounces (1 quart) per gallon will protect down to -30F.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Kennedy N.Y.
    Posts
    141
    WOW, 2 Pounds per gallon, What kind of amp draw is that going to create on my Cell? I just started the HHO "Trial & Error" process this spring & have been seriously wondering about Winter coming up.
    I've got a "Modified" version of a smack booster in my van right now. I'm only using about 2-3 teaspoons of KOH per 2 quarts distilled water and I'm drawing 15-24 amps (cold and warm).
    I can't even fathium what TWO POUNDS per gallon would do to me.
    I DO have a PWM, but its not installed YET. Too many Projects, Ideas and plans going on right now. But, I Guess I'd BETTER Get the PWM Installed if I've gotta start thinking about TWO POUNDS per gallon...


    QUOTE=IM2L844;31988]The recommended concentration of KOH (28% by weight or roughly 2 pounds per gallon of distilled water) will not freeze in your home freezer, but I'm not sure about colder climates.

    If you don't use that high of concentration or if you're still concerned, use denatured alcohol which is available by the gallon at Lowe's.

    Here is a pretty good idea of how to use it:

    8 ounces (1 cup) of denatured alcohol per gallon will protect against freezing down to about 10F.

    16 ounces (two cups or 1 pint) per gallon of water will protect down to 0F.

    24 liquid ounces (3 cups) per gallon will protect down to -15F.

    and, 32 ounces (1 quart) per gallon will protect down to -30F.[/QUOTE]

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    11

    Antifreeze

    What if you used window washer fluid? I do and I haven't had a freeze up yet. My hydrogen production I think is about the same. I hope it will not hurt my engine in any way.

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    3
    The more water is diluted by another substance, the lower freezing temp becomes, and the higher the boiling point becomes. You can illustrate this pretty easily by trying to freeze salt water. The more salt you add to the water the lower the freezing point becomes. Remember back in the day when you mom would be boiling water to cook spaghetti noodles, and she would dump some salt in the water? The salt wasn't for flavor, it was to raise the boiling point of the water. Hotter water means the noodles would cook faster.

    If your HHO generator is running 28% KOH, then the freezing point of the water is somewhere around -13C (according to my math). I'd be more worried about the bubblier's freezing. When I build my system in a few weeks, I'm going to be adding some windshield washer fluid to the bubbler to make sure the freezing temp is well below 0C.

    Here is a link to a quick tutorial on how to calculate the freezing or boiling point of a liquid: CLICK

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Posts
    1,418
    Koyo, and what do you do with your bubbler? I would think mixing alcohol with KOH it would dissipate over a short period coming out with the HHO. Rubbing alcohol has got a large portion of water in it. I have not found any problem if the KOH is mixed to the max or at least stronger than usual. I have seen frozen reactors but never seen a reactor frozen solid where it pushed out gaskets or did any damage with stronger that usual mixture. It usually just stays slushy and takes longer to warm up and start making any volume of gas. I am talking of weather of -40ยบ F or below. For long runs a PWM would be necessary. If the car is pluged in when not running and the reactor/reservoir is mounted in a warm spot for winter (I found this necessary) the only problem is the bubbler. In winter I have used a mixture of light oil and other chemicals in the bubbler. No water. To do this it requires a flash port on the bubbler and a normal flash back devise before the bubbler and a filter like device to keep electrolyte out of the flashback device. Be safe!!
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb."

    ONE Liter per minute per 10 amps which just isn't possible Ha Ha .

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Southern Alberta Canada
    Posts
    483
    I have never found anything for here in Canada for winter, I just take it out.
    No HHO for winter.

    And havnt installed it in my current car, just havnt had time.
    And have not even opened my dry cell from last year, just sits in a bucket, but will clean an get ready for next year.(spring)
    Come to the Darkside - We have Cookies
    And lots of KOH (16 LBS)

    Not currently running HHO.
    I dont run HHO during winter.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Posts
    1,418
    You give up to easily. Not easy but possible.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb."

    ONE Liter per minute per 10 amps which just isn't possible Ha Ha .

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •