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    Quote Originally Posted by hhothekilla View Post
    Hey everyone. I'm back again with a whole new cell. I decided to build a dry cell. The plates are 6"x6" 316L SS. 12 total arranged at +nnn-nnn+nnn-. I have 40 mil shower pan liner cut and stacked 2 between each plate. About 1/16" between each plate when compressed. The two positive and two negative plates have a notch on one end for 14 gauge female spade terminal connectors. One for each plate. I'm using 1/2" plexyglass for my ends and 16 1/4" nylon bolts and nuts to hold everything together. I have a 48oz resivoir about 1 foot above the top of the cell. I have run the cell for about 4 hours at a time, around 10 times now. Wires run a bit hot, but don't melt or smoke. I'm running 6 teaspoons of drain cleaner/gallon. I just ran two tests tonight. First test:

    Amps: 8.9
    Voltage: 12.4
    Watts: 110.36
    ML/Min: 1666.62

    MMW: 15.101

    Second test:

    Amps: 8.2
    Voltage: 12.1
    Watts: 99.22
    ML/Min: 1538.4

    MMW: 15.504

    Pretty phenominal! Oh, ZERO CURRENT LEAKAGE!!!! Plus, my plates are clean as a whistle!

    If anyone needs pictures, please feel free to pm me.

    Thanks
    Those are truely amazing results if truely accurate. Did you measure both cell and gas temps. Those numbers are WAY over unity. Please post pics and maybe some video if you can. Just a guess but I would bet there is some steam involved.

    Larry

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    You know, I though so too. But the cell is cool to the touch and the gas comming out is cold. I also ran the gas out tube to a open top bubbler and made sure that the bubbles were indeed hydrogen.

    I dont have a thermoprobe yet so I cannot measure temps.

    I will post pics and hopefully videos tomarrow.

    Here's the formula I used to get my MMW.

    The cell ran 1 liter in 36 seconds, or 1000ml in 36 seconds. Thats 27.77ml/sec. Multiply 27.77ml by 30 seconds comes out to be 833.31ml. Multiply that by two and I got 1666.62ml in 1 min.

    Amps x Volts = Watts
    ML per Min / Watts = MMW

    Is that the correct formula?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hhothekilla View Post
    You know, I though so too. But the cell is cool to the touch and the gas comming out is cold. I also ran the gas out tube to a open top bubbler and made sure that the bubbles were indeed hydrogen.

    I dont have a thermoprobe yet so I cannot measure temps.

    I will post pics and hopefully videos tomarrow.

    Here's the formula I used to get my MMW.

    The cell ran 1 liter in 36 seconds, or 1000ml in 36 seconds. Thats 27.77ml/sec. Multiply 27.77ml by 30 seconds comes out to be 833.31ml. Multiply that by two and I got 1666.62ml in 1 min.

    Amps x Volts = Watts
    ML per Min / Watts = MMW

    Is that the correct formula?
    That is one way to come out with correct mil's per minute but your test results are so far over any that I have ever seen that something seems wrong. Either you must be measuring steam or your amp or volt or both measurements are somehow wrong. Those MMW readings are so far over unity that it would solve all the worlds energy issues. At those results you could run a generator that provided all the electricity to power your cell and with what was left over you still would out perform everyone else. I truely hope those results are correct but I have my doubts. Please share all you can. I hope we all can learn something here.

    Larry

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    what power supply are you using ?

    Amps: 8.9
    Voltage: 12.4
    Watts: 110.36
    ML/Min: 1666.62

    MMW: 15.101

    Second test:

    Amps: 8.2
    Voltage: 12.1
    Watts: 99.22
    ML/Min: 1538.4

    i ask the question because in your second test
    the voltage has reduced and the current has also
    normally if the cell voltage decreases the current goes up !

    i suspect you are running battery's that were becoming empty and a charger that cant keep up


    if your figures are right i congratulate you..
    it would be nice to see some pictures or video

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    I hate to be negative, and also hope I'm wrong, but I share Larry and Cully's scepticism.

    With the 0.40" pan liner and on 3 neutrals you're running at about 3 volts plus per cell. Also, the fact that the wires are getting hot says that something is amiss, what gauge wire did you use?

    The cell does not necessarily need to get to the boiling point of water for water vapour to be in your gas stream, but I suspect that that's what's happening here. If you later on move this unit to your vehicle, your cell voltage will be even higher.

    However, it may also be the case that the water vapour will be great for your vehicle as it also assists the power stroke, however, if you're using potassium hydroxide or sodium hydroxide you'll be ringing the dinner bell for your aluminium engine parts.

    One thing I would recommend is to get yourself a big bucket, filled with cold water and the longest piece of hose you can find. Run the HHO outlet from your system through this hose and put as much of the hose into the bucket as you can. Take your readings again from the end of the hose. If there's a drastic change, then you can safely say that you are generating a lot of vapour.

    Russ.
    2006 Dodge Ram 4.7L - 16.5 mpg stock
    My thread Painless Experiment in HHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by cully View Post
    what power supply are you using ?




    i ask the question because in your second test
    the voltage has reduced and the current has also
    normally if the cell voltage decreases the current goes up !

    i suspect you are running battery's that were becoming empty and a charger that cant keep up


    if your figures are right i congratulate you..
    it would be nice to see some pictures or video

    Cully, I'm using a new speed charger. The reason why the second test was with less voltage and amps is because I turned off the charger and let the cell run just on the battery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Painless View Post
    I hate to be negative, and also hope I'm wrong, but I share Larry and Cully's scepticism.

    With the 0.40" pan liner and on 3 neutrals you're running at about 3 volts plus per cell. Also, the fact that the wires are getting hot says that something is amiss, what gauge wire did you use?

    The cell does not necessarily need to get to the boiling point of water for water vapour to be in your gas stream, but I suspect that that's what's happening here. If you later on move this unit to your vehicle, your cell voltage will be even higher.

    However, it may also be the case that the water vapour will be great for your vehicle as it also assists the power stroke, however, if you're using potassium hydroxide or sodium hydroxide you'll be ringing the dinner bell for your aluminium engine parts.

    One thing I would recommend is to get yourself a big bucket, filled with cold water and the longest piece of hose you can find. Run the HHO outlet from your system through this hose and put as much of the hose into the bucket as you can. Take your readings again from the end of the hose. If there's a drastic change, then you can safely say that you are generating a lot of vapour.

    Russ.

    Russ, I believe they are 14 gauge wires. Only the negative set of wires are getting hot. The reason why the positive isnt getting hot is because I have a switch connected from the cell then about 12 gauge wire from the switch to the battery.

    Where I live its about 20 degress F outside in the garage. Before I run the cell, the water is already the outside temperature. Plus, since I have plexiglass. I can see if im getting any steam on the inside of the cell. I haven't seen any. Boiling point is about 200F right? Even if I'm getting close to that, lets say 180F. Wouldn't I be able to feel the cell and it should be hot?

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    Just out of curiosity... how are you measuring your amps? ie. shunt meter, clamp meter, or automotive meter? How do you have it wired up?
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    I'm measuring amps using an automotive digital multimeter that is auto ranging. I set it on uA to get the amps. I also tried setting it on A but I get .089 whereas I get 8.5 on the uA setting. I have the positive probe connected to the first plate and the negative probe connected to the fourth plate. My stack is +nnn-nnn+nnn-.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hhothekilla View Post
    I'm measuring amps using an automotive digital multimeter that is auto ranging. I set it on uA to get the amps. I also tried setting it on A but I get .089 whereas I get 8.5 on the uA setting. I have the positive probe connected to the first plate and the negative probe connected to the fourth plate. My stack is +nnn-nnn+nnn-.
    You need to measure the amps at the wire's feeding the entire cell. You will not get anywhere near accurate readings trying to measure amp draw at the plates. The setting must be on A.

    Larry

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