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    efficiency math

    please can someones check this math

    I'm trying to work out my cell % gain

    remember I'm in the UK 1 Gallon = 4.5 Ltrs

    i need MPG for running on HHO
    miles run= 145. Ltrs used= 12Ltrs
    ltrs to gallons = 12/4.5= 2.66gallon
    mpg= miles run/gallon used
    = 145/2.66=54.5Mpg


    i need MPG for running on Diesel
    miles run= 153. Ltrs used= 14.3Ltrs
    ltrs to gallons = 14.3/4.5= 3.17gallon
    mpg= miles run/gallon used
    = 153/3.17=48.2Mpg


    so to work out % gain

    54.5Mpg - 48.2Mpg = 6.3/48.2 x 100 = 13.07% gain over base


    this is a dry cell configured -NNNNN+NNNNN-
    active plate area = 5X5 inch
    plate gap 1.5MM compressed rubber gaskets
    running voltage 13.9 to 14.2 Cars voltage is not stable due to varying electrical loads
    cell amps set to 15Amp cold
    maximum cell temp seen 38C
    maximum cell Amp seen 20Amp

    car details
    3 door Peugeot 106 1999
    1.5ltr non turbo diesel Bosch indirect injection system
    HHO is injected into the air intake before the air filter

    haven't done a LPM test as i had to cut short the HHO mpg as its got cold here and froze my bubbler

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    Cully,

    Also keep in mind that a US gallon is smaller than a metric gallon.

    Russ.
    2006 Dodge Ram 4.7L - 16.5 mpg stock
    My thread Painless Experiment in HHO

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    yes painless

    thats why i stated

    UK 1 Gallon = 4.5 Ltrs


    but does the math look right or am i doing the calc wrong?

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    Just double checked it... math looks good to me!

    13% gain! Not bad for the first attempt!

    Congrats!

    A suggestion, inject your HHO after the air filter as close to the turbo as you can get it, you will probably see more improvement.

    Russ.
    2006 Dodge Ram 4.7L - 16.5 mpg stock
    My thread Painless Experiment in HHO

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    You do realise that you can figure out gain without converting to MPG... and with less error.

    Stick to miles per litre.

    145 miles divided by 12 L = 12.08 MPL

    153 miles divided by 14.3 L = 10.7 MPL

    12.08 - 10.7 = 1.38 / 10.7 = .129 X 100 = 12.9% increase.

    Still not bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Painless View Post
    Just double checked it... math looks good to me!

    13% gain! Not bad for the first attempt!

    Congrats!

    A suggestion, inject your HHO after the air filter as close to the turbo as you can get it, you will probably see more improvement.

    Russ.

    Russ i cant get it no closer to the turbo as the car has not got one


    you say not bad for a first attempt...
    its my 3rd cell but bench testing shut down the other 2,
    this 3rd one is the first cell i have road tested.
    its all mounted in a cut off 25ltr drum in the pasengers footwell
    now i know there is good gains to have i will be looking at a perminant install point, it looks as if it might have to go in the trunk

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    Well, if there's no turbo then plumb it into the air plenum right up to the throttle body.
    2006 Dodge Ram 4.7L - 16.5 mpg stock
    My thread Painless Experiment in HHO

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