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What happened to all the success stories?
About 6 months ago, there were daily reports of increased MPG from experimenters.
"I put a pair of SS spoons in a Mason jar, and PRESTO! 40% increase"
As cells got better, the success stories diminished.
Zero dreamed of getting 4.5 MMW.
Today Zero is silent with much higher efficiency cells. Why?
Do we need to go back to lousy cells to see increases?
Is anyone getting good results with 5-10 LPM?
What is not going on?
BoyntonStu
Originally Posted by BoyntonStu
I think a lot of what you have noticed is that people are becoming a lot more sophisticated in their data acquisition and analysis ... I am doing some very interesting things with 5-10 lpm, but not in automotive applications ... too many are tying the ultimate success or failure of HHO production to getting mileage gains in automobiles and are ignoring a number of other valuable uses ... there are immediate benefits to using HHO in stationary engines as a fuel economy booster ... in cases where the engine runs at a steady RPM, our primitive methods of metering in the fuel is able to work and work pretty well ... but without a very significant leap in the technology of getting the gas metered in a precise way, and injected into the engine at just the right time, meaningful results in automobiles will always be spotty ... this is just my opinion, not to be confused with hard scientific fact ...
Now that get's me thinking
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im still working on mine.
but i have seen good gains, at around 20 amp - going to dry cell now.
but for 5LPM i would need 3 of my wet cells and about 60 amps.
I have recently put one of my wet cells on my nephews car - Audi with a 2.5L strait 5(with a O2 extender), but havent seen the same MPG gain or power gain as my 89 caddy with a 4.5L V8.
same LPM output but not the same MPG gain, anybody know why??
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And lots of KOH (16 LBS)
Not currently running HHO.
I dont run HHO during winter.
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I am attempting to have large volumes of HHO to try.
Stu, I beleive that much of what was reported was nonsence before. MPG gains were made by many but not to the extent that were being reported. Much of the problem I beleive is in that most of the devices installed simply were not of the quality to operate more than a couple of months without leaking and overheating problems. With the advent of cheaper gas most have not tried again. Only a few hardcore HHO enthusiasts remain. We are all mostly trying to make improvements in the devices. I got nice gains when I had a device installed but was using HHO on a vehicle that was easy to improve. Automobiles vary on adaptability. I beleive the Frontier will be harder to make the same gains because of the much tighter control the ECU has on air/fuel ratios
Larry
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"I got nice gains when I had a device installed but was using HHO on a vehicle that was easy to improve. Automobiles vary on adaptability."
What car? What device? Amps?
Before/after MPG
What was the length of time or miles for the improvement?
BoyntonStu
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Stu, I posted everything in this thread a couple of weeks ago when you asked for the information.
http://www.hhoforums.com/showthread.php?t=2359
Larry
I believe every car has it's own ideal gasoline:air:hho ratio and depends mostly on its displacement, compression and timing. I also think this "balance" does not require too much hho and that any excess will actually reduce MPG. Re-test your low yield generators and compare
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"I found nice gains that lasted over the entire period of time. I was just using an ineffecient open bath type design. I wish I would have joined a forum or used video or something else to document the mileage"
Nice gains; the mileage went from _____ to ______?
I was just using an ineffecient open bath type design
Number of plates, sizes, V, A?
BoyntonStu
BoyntonStu
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I also believe that some are getting gains with smaller outputs due to the fact that their cells are less efficient and providing a significant amount of water vapour to the intake. Naturally, this will also increase power. The more efficient generators that are putting out higher LPM's should, hopefully, produce less water vapour.I believe every car has it's own ideal gasoline:air:hho ratio and depends mostly on its displacement, compression and timing. I also think this "balance" does not require too much hho and that any excess will actually reduce MPG. Re-test your low yield generators and compare
Makes a good case for accompanying HHO with a separate water injection system.
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