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  1. #31
    runcar Guest
    The news story was generally positive, upbeat and accurate about HHO technology. I thought the lines about the EPA and the Attorney General were misleading, though, since it lumped in HHO generators with the broad spectrum of other gas saving devices, many of which don’t work. It’s always, good though to see skeptics turned into believers.

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    Got to read this!!!! Great info....


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  4. #34
    buffordboy23 Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by tbhavsar View Post
    FYI- Just came across this site during my search.

    http://www.dinglefoundation.com/index.php
    I saw this guy on some YouTube videos:

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UVhXrvCCILw
    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=n-hjxFaLXAk

    Unfortunately, his approach (a car operating solely on water) violates the laws of physics. However, I do believe that supplementing your gasoline-fueled vehicle with hydrogen can be beneficial for fuel economy if done correctly.

    He says one liter of water (1 kg) will run the vehicle for an hour. Here’s some scientific logic to prove how ridiculous this claim is.

    The chemical equation to split water is given by

    2(H2O) (l) –> 2(H2) (g) + (O2) (g) dH = 486 kJ

    Now he said that the products used in the engine for combustion are hydrogen and oxygen, so the this chemical reaction can only be the reverse of the one already mentioned. Since 2 moles H2O equals 36 grams of H2O, only 27.8*dH, or 13.5 MJ of energy can be released during combustion--the 27.8 comes from 1 kg of water divided by 36 grams per 2 moles of H20 in the above chemical reaction. So over the course of one second, 13.5 MJ / 3600 s = 3.75 kJ (about 5 hp) of energy is available for operating the car. This power output is so small, and note that we didn’t even discuss efficiency losses and the initial energy needed to break the water molecule via electric current from the battery so the net power output is exceedingly smaller.

    If we do consider the efficiency losses and the energy needed to split water (the same amount of energy that is released during combustion), then the actual power output is below zero, which means he is powering his vehicle by some hidden and unknown means.

    The important conclusion to take home: This guy is full of BS.

  5. #35
    volomike Guest
    And finally we now have the next news story to the one you submitted:

    http://www.wptv.com/news/local/story...3-b0dd76f2cebc

    Basically it reveals that without proper electronics, people could end up blowing fuses, and that the gas mileage improvement in this particular electrolyzer was marginal -- going from 11mpg to 18mpg in one vehicle, more in others, etc. My gut feeling is that the unit looks pretty, but probably lacks the proper electronics to be sufficient and may even eventually melt wiring. It probably doesn't even have a PWM. It also only used distilled water and I really think it needs lye or potash added to that water to be sufficient. Otherwise, all you're doing is boiling water and not getting enough HHO.

    So, the story and the analysis isn't wrong -- it's the brand of device that is in this case.

  6. #36
    loumiii Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by volomike View Post
    And finally we now have the next news story to the one you submitted:

    http://www.wptv.com/news/local/story...3-b0dd76f2cebc

    Basically it reveals that without proper electronics, people could end up blowing fuses, and that the gas mileage improvement in this particular electrolyzer was marginal -- going from 11mpg to 18mpg in one vehicle, more in others, etc. My gut feeling is that the unit looks pretty, but probably lacks the proper electronics to be sufficient and may even eventually melt wiring. It probably doesn't even have a PWM. It also only used distilled water and I really think it needs lye or potash added to that water to be sufficient. Otherwise, all you're doing is boiling water and not getting enough HHO.

    So, the story and the analysis isn't wrong -- it's the brand of device that is in this case.
    Um just curious but 11 to 18 mpg is near 70% and 9 to 23 mpg is over 150%. What percentage gain in milage would you consider to be better then marginal?

    And could you tell us what proper electronics are needed to prevent blowing fuses or melting wires.

    Let's see the guy's been in business a couple of years, has built and installed some 800 units he said and so far as we know he didn't handle four customer service complaints very well. Pretty impressive I think.

    Thanks
    Lou

  7. #37
    SamB52 Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by volomike View Post
    And finally we now have the next news story to the one you submitted:

    http://www.wptv.com/news/local/story...3-b0dd76f2cebc

    Basically it reveals that without proper electronics, people could end up blowing fuses, and that the gas mileage improvement in this particular electrolyzer was marginal -- going from 11mpg to 18mpg in one vehicle, more in others, etc. My gut feeling is that the unit looks pretty, but probably lacks the proper electronics to be sufficient and may even eventually melt wiring. It probably doesn't even have a PWM. It also only used distilled water and I really think it needs lye or potash added to that water to be sufficient. Otherwise, all you're doing is boiling water and not getting enough HHO.

    So, the story and the analysis isn't wrong -- it's the brand of device that is in this case.

    I agree - not the most sophisticated unit out there. Yet he has already had over $1m in revenues, after starting his business in Feb 08...that's pretty impressive...
    And if you read his installation instructions his first charge of water is "mineral drinking water". So he is essentially using sodium bicarbonate for electrolyte.
    As Roy McAlister put it in 2005, there are over 800 million internal combustion engines around the planet. Plenty of room for all entrepreneurs.
    I just finished watching a news show on Ed Begley, Jr. who is a conservation fanatic. He even went so far as to put in a plastic lawn at his house so as to save water...I just can't get excited about conservation like that. To anyone that says conserve, conserve, conserve, I say innovate, innovate, innovate. (His original lawn would have, you guessed it, sucked CO2 out of the air and turned it into , you guessed it, H2O and O2, just like God's photosynthesis has done since the dawn of time. And every molecule of water that was here at the dawn of time, is, you guessed it, still here. It's just a matter of keeping it clean. Ah, well, scarcity freaks get what they asked for, a sense of scarcity)
    Keep truckin, hho website! This is the coolest place on the internet!

  8. #38
    Genchaos Guest
    I just finished a Smack cell and saw pretty much the same results as Dewayne. I stopped adding sodium hydroxide at 10 amps, the output is awesome. Got to rig a flow meter! So far no discoloration of the plates or water. I made a really simple bubbler that I am convinced will not draw back water into the cell as it cools. I'll try to upload a pic or two later.

  9. #39
    sm0kin Guest
    found this article may have been posted already but....http://www.motortrend.com/features/e...gue/index.html

  10. #40
    Genchaos Guest
    Hrein Energy Successfully Test Drives 1.2L Vehicle With Retrofitted Organic Hydride System
    February 29, 2008

    The organic hydride dehydrogenation reactor is mounted inline in the exhaust system. Click to enlarge.
    Hrein Energy, in cooperation with Futaba Industrial Co., Ltd, ITO Racing Service Co. Ltd.. and Dr. Ichikawa Masaru, a professor emeritus of Hokkaido University, has successfully test-driven a 1.2-liter Nissan March retrofitted with an on-board organic hydride system (earlier post) that delivers supplemental hydrogen to the gasoline engine.

    Adding several percent of hydrogen dehydrogenated from the organic hydride to the intake air supported very lean-burn combustion. Fuel efficiency was improved by 30%; CO2 emissions were cut by 30%; and concentrations of CO and NOx were “considerably reduced”, according to the company.

    You can read more on this at http://www.greencarcongress.com/h2/index.html

    These guys must be nuts! 30% increase in fuel savings?? Next we'll be reading that we're NOT wackos!

    More details at this website http://www.hrein.jp/english/pressrelease/index.htm

    They appear to be doing what we are but generate the hydrogen a different way.

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