no additive needed?

[timetowinarace]

I have been using my well water with no additive. My opinion, those that are doing this are not using distilled water. I get 30amps through my water but it is far from pure. I havn't gotten around to finding out whats in it.

1/8" or 3mm is supposed to be optimum spacing. Closer if using a open bath design to discourage unwanted current flow around plates.

[daveczrn]

I'm guessing the wihtout it being disstilled water it will be less restrictive and able to have the plate spacing further apart and still pull the same amps as if it were to be distilled water. Am i correct?

[dennis13030]

Pure water(distilled) is highly resistive. Most other types of water are less resistive.

It would be nice not use any chemicals in the electrolyte and be able to use ANY type of water too. Some day............

[Boltazar]

I'm still reading all the web sites after googleing HHO and found this today

Pete

hho gas generators
Safety should be the most important aspect of all hho gas generators and their installations. hho gas is very flammable and can cause serious injury, if it is not respected. Here are some things to keep in mind: this gas should not be stored; bubble the hho gas through water before it is connected to the air intake; bubblers and the hho gas generators should have a pop off lid or a very large low pressure pop off port. Some electrolytes can be very corrosive and can cause serious injury and possible death if ingested. hho gas generators should not be connected directly to the battery; a fuse and a relay switch connected to a switched circuit is a must. The electric fuel pump circuit on newer cars adds an extra safety feature to your hho gas generators. If at all possible, keep hho gas generator's electrical connections well below the fluid levels to avoid a spark in the hho gas. And last, but not least, hho gas generators should not be installed in the passenger's compartment.

Quality components will greatly reduce the maintenance and ensure safe hho gas generator designs that will last a long time. Stainless steel works great for electrodes and electrical terminals. Size and shape are determined by the space available. hho gas generators should not be installed by the exhaust manifold. Plastic and acrylics work great also, provided temperatures in the hho gas generators are kept moderate. Distilled water gives you a good starting place [0 electrolytes]. The more electrolytes you add, the more amp draw and more hho gas; there is a balance needed here. Baking soda works great and is not caustic to work with. It maybe the best choice, at least until you have your hho gas generator's design perfected. Seven little hho gas generators in series are better than one big generator because it only requires 1.24 volts for electrolysis. Most engines are equipped with 13.8 volt charging systems [13.8 divided by 7]; this will be more gas and less heat .

Less heat means you can adjust the electrolytes and maybe the amp draw a little and get the most output for the input, and still avoid the boiling point. Steam cancels out the hho gas and hurts the engine's fuel economy. Volts are controlled by the number of cells; excess volts cause heat. Amps are controlled by the ratio of water to electrolyte; heat will increase the amp draw. Once you have the recipe worked out for your application, write it down so you can duplicate the solution.

[jober]

Has anyone found a good company to buy a complete system from?
I saw these people but their price is a bit high.
http://www.hydroxycorp.com/shop/
Has anyone here used them?

[Stratous]

most people in these forums are into planning and building their own design, or improving on someone elses. I have not heard of the company you linked too, but that doesn't mean much.

Edit: I have seen the alexis cell before, there is a youtube video of it in action. As far as how good they are, I dont honestly know.

[s_barrett]

"I've got an idea that somebody might want to try. Get some stainless steel screen and some outdoor furniture woven material (Plastic) or some other porous insulating material. Sandwich the lawn furniture material between the two sheets of stainless screen. One hooked up to pos, the other neg. You can bend and re-shape the finished layers if you want to. You may also want to sew the finished product together with teflon thread in a heavy duty sewing machine.

That will get the two screens really close together, yet allow water to pass through. Bubbles can escape rather easily through the screen. I have some of the plastic woven material and the ability to sew it but I do not have any stainless steel screen. The material can probably be found in the kitchen utensil industry."
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the flexibility of the material would also allow one to roll it into a jelly-roll configuration. i think it's a good idea

[admin]

That sounds like a good idea... if you rolled it up and stuck it in a PVC tube it would probably work well, and you'd need less electrolyte probably.

[daveczrn]

I've got an idea that somebody might want to try. Get some stainless steel screen and some outdoor furniture woven material (Plastic) or some other porous insulating material. Sandwich the lawn furniture material between the two sheets of stainless screen. One hooked up to pos, the other neg. You can bend and re-shape the finished layers if you want to. You may also want to sew the finished product

I'm not so sure we would be able to easily remove the bubbles from the screen. as well the small wires i doubt will produce much HHO. not much surface area to it for production. and may not last long because it's not very thick and won't be able to carry a higher amp draw.

[daveczrn]

found this video on youtube. My hope for a no additive HHO generator looks better. although the voltage is wrong with this.