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    Smith03Jetta Guest

    Default Vehicle Damage From Hho Use???

    There is a myth out there that HHO use can damage your vehicle.

    Other than those urban legends about people who have left their HHO Device running and cranked up the vehicle causing the heads to blow up, are there any substantiated stories of anybody damaging a vehicle with normal HHO use?

    Has anybody cracked a piston?

    Has anybody had to rebuild their engine because of it?

    I would like to put an end to this myth once and for all. It is either a damaging thing to do to your engine or it is beneficial.

    I don't want to hear arguments that it won't damage your vehicle. I want undeniable proof that using HHO has damaged a vehicle and what the circumstances were. If anybody has the name of a vehicle owner who's car was damaged, please let me know.

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    cougar gt-e Guest

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    If anyone has direct knowledge also please add if the use HHO systems will cause a dealer to void your warranty.

    (Sorry for the slight highjack...)

    Packer Fan

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    hatch_m Guest

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    I am a mechanic for a ford and chrysler dealer, and i can tell you that it does void your warranty. But it all depends on what your dealer says. If its in the affected system etc. I mean if you warranty problem is in the door locks they cant say that you affected it but if its in the engine/engine controls, or in your electrical system they could say that it is an aftermarket modification which will void your warranty. Thought I would let you know.

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    daveczrn Guest

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    Quote Originally Posted by hatch_m View Post
    I am a mechanic for a ford and chrysler dealer, and i can tell you that it does void your warranty. But it all depends on what your dealer says. If its in the affected system etc. I mean if you warranty problem is in the door locks they cant say that you affected it but if its in the engine/engine controls, or in your electrical system they could say that it is an aftermarket modification which will void your warranty. Thought I would let you know.
    They have to prove that it's the HHo system that caused the problem in the end. If they can't do it, then there is no issue.

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    Smith03Jetta Guest

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    I appreciate the opinion of a certified mechanic, don't get me wrong. I don't want to hear about hypothetical "Will it void my warranty" stuff. I want to know if anybody has ever had their engine damaged by HHO. I would also like to know if a dealership has actually refused to cover actual engine damage caused by HHO. FYI, i know of an actual car dealership in Monroe, Louisiana that is installing HHO systems on NEW, warrantied automobiles. If they turned around and stated that an engine damaged by the HHO system they installed would void the warranty, they would be in a heap of trouble.

    Here are links to the Ford dealership that is installing Hydrogen on Demand systems for their customers:
    http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/blog2...tors-for-cars/

    Here is a link that is interesting as well.
    http://www.masterautotech.com/ has a link to http://www.preignitioncc.com/able41/index.htm

    He installs Hydrogen on Demand and a Pre-ignition catalytic converter that in testing has pushed a V8 to over 200 miles per gallon.
    Last edited by Smith03Jetta; 07-16-2008 at 01:52 PM.

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    daveczrn Guest

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smith03Jetta View Post
    I appreciate the opinion of a certified mechanic, don't get me wrong. I don't want to hear about hypothetical "Will it void my warranty" stuff. I want to know if anybody has ever had their engine damaged by HHO. I would also like to know if a dealership has actually refused to cover actual engine damage caused by HHO. FYI, i know of an actual car dealership in Monroe, Louisiana that is installing HHO systems on NEW, warrantied automobiles. If they turned around and stated that an engine damaged by the HHO system they installed would void the warranty, they would be in a heap of trouble.

    Here are links to the Ford dealership that is installing Hydrogen on Demand systems for their customers:
    http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/blog2...tors-for-cars/

    Here is a link that is interesting as well.
    http://www.masterautotech.com/ has a link to http://www.preignitioncc.com/able41/index.htm

    He installs Hydrogen on Demand and a Pre-ignition catalytic converter that in testing has pushed a V8 to over 200 miles per gallon.



    any idea on the price of that PICC setup? it's diffrent so maybe there is something there for better economy

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    Smith03Jetta Guest

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    The company says that to upgrade from their Hydrogen system to the PICC system costs about $3000.00. They still have some hurdles to jump however, they are having difficulty getting the EPA to test it. They have already met with people from the White House and Congress about this and still are having trouble. The problem they have is that they have to remove the existing catalytic converter and put this on it it's place, which is currently illegal.

    There is ONE problem with this reformed fuel. It does not have a very good flame spread. That means that unless they do something to increase the flame spread, it cannot be used efficiently. That's where Hydrogen Injection comes into play. The monatomic hydrogen is used to increase the flame spread of fuel.

    More information and a discussion of their fight with the EPA is on the following link:

    http://bwt.jeffotto.com/picc-introduced.htm

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    daveczrn Guest

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smith03Jetta View Post
    The company says that to upgrade from their Hydrogen system to the PICC system costs about $3000.00. They still have some hurdles to jump however, they are having difficulty getting the EPA to test it. They have already met with people from the White House and Congress about this and still are having trouble. The problem they have is that they have to remove the existing catalytic converter and put this on it it's place, which is currently illegal.

    There is ONE problem with this reformed fuel. It does not have a very good flame spread. That means that unless they do something to increase the flame spread, it cannot be used efficiently. That's where Hydrogen Injection comes into play. The monatomic hydrogen is used to increase the flame spread of fuel.

    More information and a discussion of their fight with the EPA is on the following link:

    http://bwt.jeffotto.com/picc-introduced.htm

    ouch... $3000 Ill pass. 200 MPG would be nice though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smith03Jetta View Post
    The company says that to upgrade from their Hydrogen system to the PICC system costs about $3000.00. They still have some hurdles to jump however, they are having difficulty getting the EPA to test it. They have already met with people from the White House and Congress about this and still are having trouble. The problem they have is that they have to remove the existing catalytic converter and put this on it it's place, which is currently illegal.

    There is ONE problem with this reformed fuel. It does not have a very good flame spread. That means that unless they do something to increase the flame spread, it cannot be used efficiently. That's where Hydrogen Injection comes into play. The monatomic hydrogen is used to increase the flame spread of fuel.

    More information and a discussion of their fight with the EPA is on the following link:

    http://bwt.jeffotto.com/picc-introduced.htm

    That is alittle expensive for sure, but if it can recieve wide spread attention, then capitalism will kick in and create a competative enviroment which could bring the price down. May help with research as well. Anyone given any thought to the resistor on the atmospheric pressure sensor for leaning fuel mixture?
    2006 Ram, 5.9 cummins HO. 4 cell design, 1.5 LPM@30amp, 24.3 MPG

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    Quote Originally Posted by daveczrn View Post
    They have to prove that it's the HHo system that caused the problem in the end. If they can't do it, then there is no issue.
    Nope. Just the opposite. They have final say-so, so unless you can prove it DIDN'T cause the problem, you're boned.

    Dealerships are shady cheapskates.

    http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/blog2...tors-for-cars/
    I've actually been to this dealership. Haven't gotten to see much of the system they use, but innovative.
    Last edited by Phantom240; 07-16-2008 at 06:30 PM.

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