I'm new and need help!

[HHOhoper]

Hello All!

I'm not only new to this forum, but also to the HHO concept in it's entirety. A friend of mine introduced it to me and he is also new to this as well.

From the limited research I've done, I've seen that there are some people out there who have made some amazing improvements to their MPG.

Well I've completed a small generator and have added it to my 2000 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP. It's been on for about two weeks and I haven't really noticed much of an improvment at all.

I DO know that my cell is primitive and does not put out a huge amount of gas. As I'm working out the bugs, I've come to a big question. As I have it now, the HHO feed hose goes in after my air box, right before my MAF. I have a supercharged engine and I figured that the blower would have somewhat of a suction to pull the HHO out of my generator. At the very least, the pressure of the expanding gas in the generator would push it's way into my intake and it'd be a done deal. I've also heard that people have coupled their feed hoses into an air vacuum line on the manifold so that you have the full suction of the engine pulling the HHO into your engine. From what I've seen, this option necessitates a method to prevent flashback such as check valves and/or a bubbler, etc.

My question to all of you is: Will I notice a considerable difference putting my feed hose in the manifold vacuum lines, or is it fine how it is just being feed just after the air box, before the MAF? Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thank you!

[Stratous]

We who have been here for awhile have learned that most peoples first attempt is not usually very good. Leaks are your worst enemey. Hydrogen is smaller than air or water. Meaning, that Hydrogen will leak through holes that water cant fit through. You injection should be after the MAF. You can run your hose into the air intake, past the filter and allow it to terminate just past the maf

[HHOhoper]

Here are some pictures of my cell and where I have it going on the intake.



The black hose going into the large chrome pipe is the feeder tube going into my intake right before the MAF.

[justaguy]

Did you test your generator for LPM before installing ? You need to make sure its putting out enough lpm or it won,t do any good. You need 1 lpm or at least close to that. If its not, try adding more electrolite until the amps get up to 15 or more .

[bigapple]

Did you test your generator for LPM before installing ? You need to make sure its putting out enough lpm or it won,t do any good. You need 1 lpm or at least close to that. If its not, try adding more electrolite until the amps get up to 15 or more .

just be careful that the unit doesnt overheat... adding too much electrolyte can overdraw the current and ruin ur setup... make sure u use thick enough wires to be able to withstand the amperage as well

[SmoothieV]

Did you put that generator in your trunk? No issues running the tubes underneath the car???

[HHOhoper]

My amp tester should've arrived today, so I'll test my cell tonight and post the results tomorrow.

[bigapple]

My amp tester should've arrived today, so I'll test my cell tonight and post the results tomorrow.

i believe key amperage draw is between 15-25 amps... some people run 30 amps but make sure u have thick enough wiring to draw that much power... if ur close to target amperage but not quite there, little by little, add more of ur sodium hydroxide or potassium hydroxide because they are quite strong with just a little bit... if ur using baking soda, ull need alot, itll rust pretty quick (since carbonate is one carbon and 3 oxygens) and it will get hot no matter what... good luck

[HHOhoper]

Last night my amp tester came and I quickly pulled my generator out of my car to do some bench tests. It was drawing 1.2 amps!! I also finished my LPM tester and it was putting out 3 LPM!!!!! Just kidding. It was putting out .033 LPM! So I feel a lot better knowing why I wasn't getting any gains - my generator wasn't doing anything! So I started adding baking soda and got it up to 8 amps. It was bubbling like crazy, which I was excited to see! At that draw, it was putting out 200 mlPM.
My best friend was over helping me work on it and he asked what would happen if he held a lighter up to the spout where the hydrogen was coming out! My brother had built a generator very similar to mine and he tried to light the gas and nothing happened. So knowing what the risks were I said, why not, let's give it a shot. So we took it outside and he held the lighter up to the spout. BOOOM!!!!!!! It exploded into smitherines!!! It was loud too!! Electrolyte and glass shards went everywhere!! YES, glass is DANGEROUS!! What an explosion though! What's a science project without a few explosions along the way?? Although, if someone had that thing go off unintentionally, that could really injure someone!

Also, I made some headway with the whole manifold vs. air box problem. Last night I went driving around and was monitoring the vacuum on the hose where it is on the intake. With that supercharger on there, it actually did create quite a suction! I was very surprised that it was as strong as it was. The more I pressed on the gas, the greater the suction was (for obvious reasons). With manifold pressure, the suction would go away with increased throttle. Now that I've seen that I kind of get the best of both worlds, I think I'll keep it where it is unless anyone has a suggestion I haven't thought of.

I know that my design is primitive at best. Now that I'm beginning to understand how the whole thing works, I'm thinking I want to go to a plate design next. Here are the questions that I still have and if anyone could take a stab at them that would be great:

1. What is the average LPM that people are acheiving?

2. How are you wiring up your cells? Are you going straight to the battery or are you splicing in somewhere?

3. What are the best and/or cheapest sources for sodium hydroxide and/or potassium hydroxide and which of the two do you prefer?

4. Has anyone tried a tube design like in all the Stan Meyer videos?

5. What guage wire do you use for 15, 20, 25, 30 amp draws?

6. Has anyone experienced any alternator problems with drawing that much power? I believe most alternators put out anywhere from 90 to 110 amps! I would think that drawing a whole fourth of that juice would put some serious wear on an alternator!

Again, I appreciate all the education and help!

[EltonBrandd]

Nice work with the jar! I got lucky when my jar blew up, only the lid cracked. I wired my unit from a key on circuit to a relay, this way it only runs with ignition on. I will eventually tap in to the fuel pump circuit as the signal line to my relay to make it fool proof.