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    What kind of cell is the right one for me?

    Hello everybody out there,
    I've been conducting info about this hho subject for some time now and I'm really impressed with mpg increases you ppl get.
    My question is what kind of cell and design do you guys reccomend for my 1.6 8v, single oxygen sensor engine?
    As I can see about 1.5 lpm would be the right one for me,right?

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    1.5LPM is too much for your engine. For a 1.6 liter motor, you'll only need to produce 800 milliliters per minute. You basically want the reactor to produce half of the engine displacement.
    1998 Explorer 4x4, 4.0
    14 cell / 2 stack 6x9" drycell reactor 28%KOH dual EFIE, MAF enhancer, IAT & ECT controllers, 2.4 LPM @ 30 amps. 6.35 MMW http://reduceyourfuelbill.com.au/forum/index.php

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    Ah, so...
    there are many different opinions on web, that's why I joined this comunity to get some staight answers

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    zilex,
    You'll be able to get all the help you need, but you must post information about your vehicle first. There are tons of different applications, and we can't even start to help until we know what we're dealing with.
    1998 Explorer 4x4, 4.0
    14 cell / 2 stack 6x9" drycell reactor 28%KOH dual EFIE, MAF enhancer, IAT & ECT controllers, 2.4 LPM @ 30 amps. 6.35 MMW http://reduceyourfuelbill.com.au/forum/index.php

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    Ok, my vehicle is Opel Astra f 1.6 gasoline engine, 4 cyl, 8 valves, monopoint injection, one oxygen sensor with one wire coming out of it, no maf sensor.
    this is the car http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opel_Astra#Astra_F.2FA
    this is my engine bay


    As you say 0.8 lpm should be enough for this engine, I was looking at this dry cell design http://www.hho2u.com/HHO_DRY_CELL.html it looks rather simple to construct. They say it puts out around 1lpm, only difference is that I was thinking of making my gaskets out of inner car tyre.
    Am I pointing in the right direction here??
    tnx

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    You're going in the right direction, but the unit on that website uses 4 neutral plates per stack. Not a good idea, as they run hot & produce steam because they run 2.76 vdc per cell (kinda high). 5 neutrals will run 2.3 volts, and 6 neutrals will run at 1.97 volts (this is the best setup in my opinion).

    If you're planning on building your own reactor, I would try this setup first: (-NNNNN+). You can always expand.........
    1998 Explorer 4x4, 4.0
    14 cell / 2 stack 6x9" drycell reactor 28%KOH dual EFIE, MAF enhancer, IAT & ECT controllers, 2.4 LPM @ 30 amps. 6.35 MMW http://reduceyourfuelbill.com.au/forum/index.php

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    Ok, first thing tomorrow I'll go and browse stores in my area for materials. Thanks for your advice, I'll be posting my results...
    Regards from Croatia...

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    Lee is right about the 1/2 your engine displacement rule of thumb, but depending on your vehicles emission control devices (or lack of them) some engines respond to higher levels of HHO. My car seems to.

    Therefore, I recommend building a system that will produce 1 lpm of HHO for every liter of engine displace (1.6 lpm in your case, but when you install in on your car, reduce the current so it only produces 1/2 lpm HHO for every liter of engine displacement (.8 lpm in your case) Run at this setting for a few tank fulls of gasoline to give the HHO time to clean our your engine and for the MPG to stabilize. Once you have a stabilized MPG baseline, start increasing your HHO production a bit at a time to see where your engine actually performs best.

    Steve
    1991 Plymouth Acclaim 3L V6.
    1 dry cells with nineteen 6"x8" 316L ss plates, driven by constant current PWM set at 35 amps (13.3V at PWM). 28% KOH electrolyte. Total measured output 2.5 lpm. Mileage went from 18 to 26 mpg, all city driving (44% increase). EFIE set at .370 and I still need to play with ignition timing.

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    OK, thanks guys, today I went shopping and all I had to pay for were bolts and nuts. A friend of mine is working in the factory where they use ss, acrylic-plexyglass.. basically all I needed and they are like 2 miles from my home (lucky me).
    But as there is always a BUT somewhere in a nice story, mine is that they only have 0.5 mm ss plates, now should I use them normally or should i couple 2 plates up to form one thicker plate??

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    The .5mm should be fine. I use .022", which is almost as thin.
    Just be sure that the plates never are able to contact each other.
    You're extremely lucky, being able to get your supplies so easily!
    1998 Explorer 4x4, 4.0
    14 cell / 2 stack 6x9" drycell reactor 28%KOH dual EFIE, MAF enhancer, IAT & ECT controllers, 2.4 LPM @ 30 amps. 6.35 MMW http://reduceyourfuelbill.com.au/forum/index.php

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