Electrolyte Vapor Filtration

[H2GenerationX]

Hey everyone! We all want the same thing, better mpg while making less of an impact on our environment....also sticking to the oil companies is kinda nice too HHO cells dry or wet, have the inherant possiblity of pushing electrolyte vapor into our engine. Not only is this undesirable, but possibly could badly damage engine components inline with air intake. That being said I created this thread to give everyone a platform for ideas to filter out the vapor/moisture coming out of the hho cells we use. This is my solution, and I hope you can give your input along with any other advice or suggestions.

I noticed even after 2 bubblers that there was still a vapor coming out of my hose, and there was condensation forming inside the line. SO, I started thinking ...'what is a good material that could catch the vapor'....Activated Charcoal!!! I made a bubbler-like tube, lightly stuffed the inlet and outlet area with 100% cotton, and between was packed with Activated Charcoal. In goes vapor, out goes clear moisture free gas. No condensation, no white residue...nothing. Just Hydroxy! I went even further and put two of these inline to my motor, after the bubbler. Also, I put the inlet about 3 inches from the bottom, so that moisture can fall to the bottom, where I have a valve to drain it occasionally. I'm sure i'll have to change the Activated Charcoal occasionally once it becomes saturated. I'm looking into filter media that changes color once it's completely saturated. Make sure you check the resistance by blowing through the filter before adding it, to make sure you dont lose output, or build up pressure. Mine is fairly easy to blow through, but I had to re-arrange the cotton a couple of times. When it is packed down tight it gives alot of resistance, so keeping it fluffy is the key. Also I have stainless steel wool at the top of the bubbler to stop splashing water from going out the hose, and it also catches a small amount of vapor. GOOD LUCK! Suggestions/Improvements appreciated!!!

[oicu812]

I've thought about this alot too... Nobody want that crap inside their engines, but what about putting that vapor to work. Instead of bubbling it through water or filtering it through charcoal how bout filtering it through a bed of fine aluminium. The aluminium will decompose to aluminium oxide releasing H2. Its a exothermic reaction( produces heat) but with trace amounts of koh or naoh I doubt it would get hot enough to ignite the hho.

[redrat100]

"...I'm looking into filter media that changes color once it's completely saturated..."

I don't know about activated charcoal, never tried it. But, if you are looking for something that changes color, desiccant works well. When completely dry its blue. When its saturated it turns pink. Here is where I got mine:
http://www.mcmaster.com/#desiccants/=ay7qav

How much you need will depend on how many lpm your unit produces. I had a 1 lpm unit and it saturated 5 oz after 100 miles or so. More is better. The cool thing is that you can re-use it by drying it out in an oven or a vacuum chamber if you have one. I like the green aspect of this stuff. Saves the engine and re-usable.

[lhazleton]

Here's a really cheap one! http://www.harborfreight.com/air-too...ter-94733.html
This is the silica: http://www.harborfreight.com/22-lb-s...ant-97924.html
Under $12 for everything is a great price. Haven't bought one yet. The store is opening near me in a week or so, so I'm gonna wait, instead of ordering on-line.

[redrat100]

"...Here's a really cheap one! http://www.harborfreight.com/air-too...ter-94733.html..."

Good find Hazelton. I started with a cartridge that size. Found it at a car parts store. They are meant to be air driers for pneumatic tools. I discovered that it saturated after less than 10 miles with 1 lpm HHO. So I went bigger, but not big enough. I need to build a cannister that will hold a half gallon of desiccant. More is better. More time between change outs.

[BioFarmer93]

I've thought about this alot too... Nobody want that crap inside their engines, but what about putting that vapor to work. Instead of bubbling it through water or filtering it through charcoal how bout filtering it through a bed of fine aluminium. The aluminium will decompose to aluminium oxide releasing H2. Its a exothermic reaction( produces heat) but with trace amounts of koh or naoh I doubt it would get hot enough to ignite the hho.

OICU812-
Way to use the old bean, bud! I like this idea tremendously. I'm going to use my angle grinder with an extremely coarse disc on it and make a pile of alum. dust to test in a chamber to try and get an idea how long it will be between cannister changes.

-Carter- Are you seeing this? I think this could well be the third member in the "trinity"...

[myoldyourgold]

Come on Guys let's not complicate this. You have an alkaline substance that you need to neutralize. Use an acidic substance that when picked up by the HHO, aids in combustion and neutralizes the alkaline. Think about it.

[lhazleton]

I remember reading about this procedure a long time ago somewhere. I believe that 1 concern was that the aluminum would continue to create hydrogen long after the reactor is turned off.
I don't think I have to re-post my pictures of what happens when there is residual HHO present when an engine starts.

[oicu812]

I remember reading about this procedure a long time ago somewhere. I believe that 1 concern was that the aluminum would continue to create hydrogen long after the reactor is turned off.
I don't think I have to re-post my pictures of what happens when there is residual HHO present when an engine starts.

very true... i'm sure some sort of servo safety valve would have to be used before putting something like this under the hood. I also believe that the trace amount of koh in the vapor wouldn't produce a whole hell of a lot of h2 from the aluminium either, but what the hell every little bit counts. Instead of nuetralizing something why not put it to work for you. you could always put a bubbler and scrubber down stream of the aluminium canister.

[PRAGMATIC]

Hi,
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