Results - Check Engine Light ?

[witmeraa]

Info:
- 2005 Dodge grand caravan
- homemade 6x6 21 plate dry cell -nnnn+nnnn-nnnn+nnnn-
- 2lpm, 11.2v, 28A = MMW 6.377
- NaOH 1Tbs to a gallon

I installed this after the air filter close the the throttle body and I am not seeing any difference after the mpg test. I was seeing a noticeable amount of HHO streaming from the end of the hose. I am certain it is not steam since heat is not an issue with this design. I thought I would have at least thrown a check engine light considering I have not done any mods on it. I have read that some people were getting some results with out them. I planned on the mods but wanted to see it work before spending more money on the mods.

This was only one 50 mile test. Maybe I should leave it installed for a longer period of time. I have a 98 dodge 5.9L. I was thinking of trying it in here since it is a later model. idk...

What are you all thoughts...?

[lhazleton]

For a 5.9L engine you need 3LPM of gas. 2LPM won't cut it.
Also, where does the '11.2 volts' come from?

[witmeraa]

The volts that were mentioned were from the bench test since I have not taken the time to calculate the MMW while in the van. I did test the LPM in the van and at 35A I was running just over 2 lpm. I didn't check the volts in the van while running though.

What do you suggest about the van? Should I call it good then and just work on the truck? Is there just some vehicles that HHO will not work in?

THX...

[astrocady]

witmeraa,

Congratulations! It sounds like you've built yourself a nice system. But, there is always a but, there are a couple of suggestions I'd like to make.

First, you say you can see the HHO streaming out of the hose going to your engine, but are certain it isn't steam. You are right in that it probably isn't steam. But what you are seeing is water vapor carrying with it whatever corrosive electrolyte you are using. This water vapor is caused by the mechanical agitation of the electrolyte inside the cell. It can't be avoided, but you do need to take measures to remove the NaOH from this water vapor before it enters your throttle body, because it will cause damage to it over time.

We do this with a separate bubbler/scrubber. Search the forum and you should find lots of good information about this device.

Secondly, about your check engine light and MPG. I do not consider what your seeing to be unusual. I just installed a system on a 2005 Kia Spectra with a 2 liter engine. I started with straight HHO and ran it at several levels, even going as high as 2.5 lpm in one test, and never threw and check engine light -- never saw any MPG improvements, either. I then installed a volo performance chip and repeated the same test and got the same results. I have recently unhooked the volo and installed a conventional EFIE. While tuning the efie, I at one point had it so lean that when I pulled onto the interstate the engine died at 60 MPH -- and I still wasn't showing a check engine light. (and it is does light when I start the engine so I know the light bulb is good, and scan gauge doesn't show any error codes). Fortunately I am starting to see some MPG gains and am currently looking for the sweet spot as far as lpm go.

So, I guess my point here is that while some vehicles easily through a check engine light with HHO, some don't.

Sorry for the length of this message, I don't have time to make it short.

Steve

[lhazleton]

Steve,
Hurry up & get the Kia perfected! At some point, I'm actually gonna get the new motor (1.6L) for my '04 Rio and I'll just make it easy on myself and do whatever you do!

[witmeraa]

Thanks astrocady,

Yeah, after reading through the forum I was hearing about the corrosion problem that some have been having on there aluminum parts. That is scary business. I do have a bubblier after the reservoir but that just wasn't enough I guess. I will for sure look up on some of those threads you mentioned.

So you are suggesting installing an EFIE even if I am not seeing results and play with it and eventually I will see a change for the better in the mpg? With that I am just worried that the change that I will see is that I am only feeding it less fuel with the EFIE. I have also been reading and some have even installed a temperature gauge type deal in the exhaust so they can keep the engine running at factory temperature. I guess some have ran into overheating and ruining their engine due to a wrong adjustment on the EFIE?

Thx, Aaron

[lhazleton]

Aaron,
Just to give you an idea of corrosion, this is my original MAF after not using a well built bubbler: