Creating an HHO research group - Need ideas and suggestions

[username4321]

Just because someone is new to a forum doesn't reveal any of the individuals past other than they have not spent time on the forum. For all you know I could be the admin of one of the larget Alt-energy/conservation forums on the net or a regional biodiesel producer with experience in managing projects - but all people seem to do is look at post count - such is the internet I guess. My tone was nothing but helpful until BioFarm started off with a sarcastic remark focused on about 10% of my OP of this thread. Instead of replying to the rest of my ideas he decided to treat the newcomer with undeserved arrogance and sarcasm instead of looking at the post and talking about the good and bad points of what was offered.

I don't see how suggesting a successful research and development model to a group of obviously enthusiastic people would warrant a sarcastic remark right off the bat. Please excuse me for not spending hours replying to newbie questions which are usually already answered in the forum somewhere. I researched my questions prior to posting and found them not on the board.

[myoldyourgold]

Username4321, What do you exactly want to do research on? The uses of HHO, types of reactors, how to use HHO, or what? Do you just want to prove it works or what are you getting at? Most of the above has been covered. You want to do research but on what aspect of HHO or do you want to start from scratch and do what has been done already again? Just trying to figure exactly what you are interested in.

The only reason we look at the number of posts is because there is nothing else to make any judgement on. Maybe you can enlighten us on your background or at least your interests in this field.

[username4321]

Username4321, What do you exactly want to do research on? The uses of HHO, types of reactors, how to use HHO, or what? Do you just want to prove it works or what are you getting at? Most of the above has been covered. You want to do research but on what aspect of HHO or do you want to start from scratch and do what has been done already again? Just trying to figure exactly what you are interested in.

The only reason we look at the number of posts is because there is nothing else to make any judgement on. Maybe you can enlighten us on your background or at least your interests in this field.

Thank you for taking a more open stance on this. My background isn't really as important as the ideas put forth. My idea, as is stated in another post, is to create a detailed thread, or whatever, that will list what has been proven to work , why it seems to work, what has been tried and tested etc. I'm sure a lot of this can be found throughout the threads but I wanted to bring it together in one location so it could be evaluated, expanded and used by those experimenting on this. I don't see the benefit of the 100's of youtubers duplicating the same experiement instead of an ordered research delegating research topics which could lead to a list of "do's and don'ts" of this process.

I posted some questions in other threads, which I didn't see answers to elsewhere in the forum.

If the goal is to get the most efficient, working model of an HHO generator - I don't see how doing the same experiment in multiples is of help. For example I'd like to see the output of a specific setup with various types of electrolyte at various concentration. Maybe run them over time and see how they do. What about solid plates vs mesh or wire? Dry vs wet? Stacked plates vs spiral/coiled. Pulsed vs unpulsed. high voltage vs low voltage. Etc.

I am still confused as to how the current and voltage are regulated in these setups. When I look at something like a car audio amplifier it will not run or draw current without a control mechanism (head unit) which will determine the volume which in turn determine the amount of current needed to draw from the system. How do these systems determine the electrical output from the electrical system? Is there any type of regulation in these setups?

These are just a few of the questions I can come up with off the top of my head. If there were a thread that had a collection of information about this topic which "newbies" could read (even if it were PAGES long) they would not ask the same question all the time nor would there be a need for these posts. I guess I just saw a need for an "archiver" of some kind that would collect the "discoveries" and deposit them in the same place, kind of like a Wiki page.

Does this make sense to anyone? I would think that this could easily be done with all the knowledgeable people on this site. Imagine person who had an extensive engineering and chemistry background taking a look at this project of accumulated data and seeing something immediately that his experience has taught him and said "well just add this, or try this" and it was something that significantly helped the project. That person might just pass all this over as they don't have 25 hours to review all the threads and see what garage experimenters have tried, succeeded and or failed at.

[myoldyourgold]

Well this is all good but most of it if not all of your questions and list of things has been done and has been posted. It just is not in one thread. By using the search feature you can find it though. You will first have to learn certain terms to find stuff. Because of the volume it is on a number of pages in a number of posts. Even if you put everything in one thread you would still need to use the search feature because of the volume. Once you get used to how things work you will feel more comfortable and be able to find things easier. Things like how voltage is controlled has been gone over many many times. This is basic in understanding how a reactor works. If I start explaining all this again I will be up all night. LOL This is why what you asked for looked a little odd to me because it is all here just not in one thread. Without the search feature you would be overwhelmed and even more so if it was in one thread. You might be able to summarize some of it in one thread but very hard to control. I think we just have to deal with what we have. Sorry but that is how I see it, not perfect but at least it is here.

[username4321]

Well this is all good but most of it if not all of your questions and list of things has been done and has been posted. It just is not in one thread. By using the search feature you can find it though. You will first have to learn certain terms to find stuff. Because of the volume it is on a number of pages in a number of posts. Even if you put everything in one thread you would still need to use the search feature because of the volume. Once you get used to how things work you will feel more comfortable and be able to find things easier. Things like how voltage is controlled has been gone over many many times. This is basic in understanding how a reactor works. If I start explaining all this again I will be up all night. LOL This is why what you asked for looked a little odd to me because it is all here just not in one thread. Without the search feature you would be overwhelmed and even more so if it was in one thread. You might be able to summarize some of it in one thread but very hard to control. I think we just have to deal with what we have. Sorry but that is how I see it, not perfect but at least it is here.

Well I guess I see how things are. What I find so strange and different from the open source software movement is that the people who are involved take pride in making the document's that I suggested and the experts, or "mentors", create them so all the new terms and such are available for the newbies - thus creating a MUCH larger userbase and a more inviting atmosphere. So you know where I am coming from, there are people who maintain the type of page I am discussing for years on a daily basis documenting every update, procedure, test trial, etc so that the new people coming in can get an overview of the process right off the bat. THAT is what a real mentor, teacher or master would do for their neophtyes.

Since you know that the voltage and current issue has already been discussed, could you maybe post a link to the thread. I did a search and didn't really find anything that looked like it was appropriate. I'd really appreciate it. Maybe I can start an overview thread to give newcomers a basic idea of what is and isn't.

[username4321]

Well this is all good but most of it if not all of your questions and list of things has been done and has been posted. It just is not in one thread. By using the search feature you can find it though. You will first have to learn certain terms to find stuff. Because of the volume it is on a number of pages in a number of posts. Even if you put everything in one thread you would still need to use the search feature because of the volume. Once you get used to how things work you will feel more comfortable and be able to find things easier. Things like how voltage is controlled has been gone over many many times. This is basic in understanding how a reactor works. If I start explaining all this again I will be up all night. LOL This is why what you asked for looked a little odd to me because it is all here just not in one thread. Without the search feature you would be overwhelmed and even more so if it was in one thread. You might be able to summarize some of it in one thread but very hard to control. I think we just have to deal with what we have. Sorry but that is how I see it, not perfect but at least it is here.

Just to show you what I was envisioning when I made the posts, I am showing you a link to a How-to guide for Linux installation:
http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora-f7.html

This is one long page and this guy has done this for about 5+ years updating with each revision of the OS. This takes a lot of time and dedication by someone who asks for nothing in return but is only in it to truly help others while mastering the subject himself. I was hoping to find someone here who might have the same type of drive and motivation as he - helping people..

Either way I can say that I put forth the idea and that is really all I can do short of taking on the project myself, which would entail learning everything from scratch and I already have some large projects on my plate. Maybe there will be some "mentor" here who has the time and expertise to do something similar to this - that could generate a lot of interest in people who are newbies to the subject and don't know where to start. This type of thing is what truly makes one a mentor not someone standing on the proverbial soapbox (that was not a directed insult so please don't take it that way).

[koya1893]

Well I guess I see how things are. What I find so strange and different from the open source software movement is that the people who are involved take pride in making the document's that I suggested and the experts, or "mentors", create them so all the new terms and such are available for the newbies - thus creating a MUCH larger userbase and a more inviting atmosphere. So you know where I am coming from, there are people who maintain the type of page I am discussing for years on a daily basis documenting every update, procedure, test trial, etc so that the new people coming in can get an overview of the process right off the bat. THAT is what a real mentor, teacher or master would do for their neophtyes.

Since you know that the voltage and current issue has already been discussed, could you maybe post a link to the thread. I did a search and didn't really find anything that looked like it was appropriate. I'd really appreciate it. Maybe I can start an overview thread to give newcomers a basic idea of what is and isn't.

What you are asking for we (mentors) have tried to share the long list of test runs, do's and don't's. My problem with that is; everyone now you as well wants to come here after hearing about this and wants everything on the table without taking the time to use as sumple as the search function.

a lot of us here spend a lot of time researching funding it out of our pocket to move further in developing an efficient system. There is mentor who use to come to this forum, I can only guess why he no longer post. I for one has limited my post and with sharing. Because people show up in the forum looking to have everything handed to them.

If you've been tinkering and have something to share, do so. a lot have taken this process beyond their garage and got tools specifically to improve the process: like eliminating current leakage with "no holes" cell.

so why don't we start with what you have to offer, then we will jumped in to give you our experienced with it. In the meantime, use the search function. oh yeah, one thing to consider is keeping your system cool and run it brute force.

[hhoconnection]

I was hoping to find someone here who might have the same type of drive and motivation as he - helping people..

Either way I can say that I put forth the idea and that is really all I can do short of taking on the project myself, which would entail learning everything from scratch and I already have some large projects on my plate.

While I appreciate your enthusiasm, what makes you think that all of us don't "have a lot on our plate". Speaking for myself, I have spent many, many hours making videos for newbies, and answering countless posts and emails to try and help others. The other mentors of this forum have devoted hundreds if not thousands of hours of their personal time to try and help others so excuse me for being short but for you to come on here and imply that more should be done is kind of insulting. Talk to us after 3 years of doing this constantly and maybe you will understand. Just watch all of my videos and you will be up to speed enough. Then YOU can take on the task of compiling a database like you described. It sounds like the perfect job for you, and don't tell me that you have too much on your plate because we all do.

[myoldyourgold]

Since you know that the voltage and current issue has already been discussed, could you maybe post a link to the thread. I did a search and didn't really find anything that looked like it was appropriate. I'd really appreciate it. Maybe I can start an overview thread to give newcomers a basic idea of what is and isn't.

I did a search for "cell voltage" and got plenty of information.

Here are some terms you can search.
2 volts per cell
Neutral(s)
Stack(s)
amps per square inch
Bipolar
Unipolar
cells divide voltage
Stacks divide amperage
That should get you started

Of course watch Mikes videos too, they are a great tool.

[lhazleton]

You seem to be the wet blanket of the group - ready to put people and ideas down while offering nothing in return. If you are the model "mentor" of this forum, I'll

Holy sh*t, Gus! I go away for a week and you apparently turn into some kind of 'wet blanket'? Shame on you. Now, you just post everything that you've done in the last 5 years (complete with 8x10 color glossy photos with pictures and arrows on the back of each one, explaining what each one is) pertaining to your experimentation with different reactor styles. Also, put it all in one post and be sure to make it a sticky! No sense in making anyone else put effort into this research..........