simple...whats the best kit available?

[iger13]

WOW...my head is spinning. I have read so many posts (even richards) I have actually purchased a unit from safehho.com but can stop it as it hasent been shipped.
has anyone had luck with this unit and his "pure HHO" or a is it yet another scam.
I just want to purchase a good kit for my 99 tacoma,2.7L auto that has never been better then 20 mpg.
thanks in advance for your time
Ice

I'm not going to be "politically correct", like most members here. And the reason is very simple: some time ago I bought units from this HHO "specialist" safehho.com , one for car one for truck. $2500 later, all this garbage collecting dust in the basement. Some parts I send back for replacement, year later I still waiting for this parts. You can spend much less money for something better or just build by your self and enjoy savings.Good luck.

[BioFarmer93]

Biofarmer,
Opinion? yes and no. If you have found a product that works nicely, geez pass it on.Like Those cells from greenfield look good.
You say" I looked through the site you are ordering from and saw some truths, some half truths sauteed in a creamy omission sauce and some outright B-S, Pretty much par for the course".. could you elaborate?

That was a lot of typing and I type slow, so I won't elaborate other than to say that they are basing their marketing on the presumption that all ss reactors will be over driven and produce Cr6 and that all people are incompetent to handle caustics. I can't recommend products because I have no first hand experience with them, I build my own stuff...

[Iceguy4]

I'm not going to be "politically correct", like most members here. And the reason is very simple: some time ago I bought units from this HHO "specialist" safehho.com , one for car one for truck. $2500 later, all this garbage collecting dust in the basement. Some parts I send back for replacement, year later I still waiting for this parts. You can spend much less money for something better or just build by your self and enjoy savings.Good luck.

Thank you very much. I cancelled my order and put a stop on the cc payment. What problems did you have(my guess ..low output) and have you made another unit work or have you given up?This is what forums are for...to keep on top of whats going on. I'm starting to see the problems with sellers....I hate people who exaggerate...it makes my 14" of manhood hurt like hell!!!I watched a video of a test of the 31 plate cell...on video ...1 LPM.....they both advertize it @ 4+ LPM. crazy I still havent made up my mind what direction I' m going...I have a 1999 toyota tacoma that gets 20mpg on a good day....is this too big a cell for me? Anyone else work with the 2.7L tacoma??

[iger13]

My suggestion (it is what at list I do)-build unit yourself. There is allot of people claiming they know everything and what they sell is the best on the market. ALL B...S.
Even most knowledgeable members, I seen so far, like Bio and Myold, admitting that in field of HHO we still need to learn allot to be able to use what mother nature gave us.
There is allot of good info on this forum. Enjoy reading and knowledge you can get here. If you going to buy, it will help you allot and if you going to build yourself, it will help you even more. Check this post by Bio http://www.hhoforums.com/attachment....9&d=1300660896 .Very nice design and allot of experience he put in this unit. This is my 2c.

[Iceguy4]

My suggestion (it is what at list I do)-build unit yourself. There is allot of people claiming they know everything and what they sell is the best on the market. ALL B...S.
Even most knowledgeable members, I seen so far, like Bio and Myold, admitting that in field of HHO we still need to learn allot to be able to use what mother nature gave us.
There is allot of good info on this forum. Enjoy reading and knowledge you can get here. If you going to buy, it will help you allot and if you going to build yourself, it will help you even more. Check this post by Bio http://www.hhoforums.com/attachment....9&d=1300660896 .Very nice design and allot of experience he put in this unit. This is my 2c.

...thoughts?
Thanks ...time is a factor for me now.. my spring and summer affords little time to "tinker" For my first unit I will have to purchase or wait. actually I NEED proof of concept. I kinda like from the "show me state"

[Havens78]

..time is a factor for me now.. my spring and summer affords little time to "tinker" For my first unit I will have to purchase or wait.

If you are going to purchase i would advise to buy a bigger unit than is recommended for your 2.7 tacoma and run it at lower than recommended power. You'll be needed to make at least 1.35 liters per minute of gas minus the moisture that a lot of kits create. The lower the temp of the water in the system the less moisture you'll create. But the real application is to 'tinker' with your tacoma and get the sensors talking good about your new gas that you will be adding to the engine. Its just not a plug and play application like the sellers on EBAY want you to believe.

just my 2 cents.

[myoldyourgold]

Lets say you get the best reactor that is available and you follow there instructions and you end up with no gain or a very little one. Is it a bad reactor? Did you do something wrong? Can and will the seller help solve this problem? How much gain does the seller claim you will get if any? Does the seller carry product liability insurance? What does lifetime warranty really mean? Has the reactor been conditioned before you get it? Why do you need to condition a reactor? Are the instructions easy to follow? Does the seller have a street address? There are many more questions you need to either ask of yourself or the seller. Unless you just have $300 or more to throw away you had better get as many questions as you can answered before you buy. There is a bigger list regarding how the reactor is made, electrolyte, bubbler, where to inject, electronics, etc. This is a complex field and if you do not know the answers just leaves you open to spend large amounts of money and end up with no gains and then claim that this is all a hoax. You will be surprised at the number of people that end up like that.

[iger13]

end up with no gains and then claim that this is all a hoax. You will be surprised at the number of people that end up like that.

...and blaming HHO in all problems instead of blaming people's laziness and stupidity

[Sodbuster]

...thoughts?
Thanks ...time is a factor for me now.. my spring and summer affords little time to "tinker" For my first unit I will have to purchase or wait. actually I NEED proof of concept. I kinda like from the "show me state"

Yes Sir..... Show me State

No hype treat folks like I like to be treated.

38 plate cell (GreenFuelH2o)/(HHO Connection)+ whats in my sig = doubled my milage... Fact.

However I started out with a pick up ( 98 Chevy 5.7 Vortec) that only got 11 miles to the gallon going down hill, but some of that was do to being stuck in open loop running E85 on a none flex vehicle, take it for what it is worth.

That and I pay no attention to the no sayer`s

[Iceguy4]

Lets say you get the best reactor that is available and you follow there instructions and you end up with no gain or a very little one. Is it a bad reactor? Did you do something wrong? Can and will the seller help solve this problem? How much gain does the seller claim you will get if any? Does the seller carry product liability insurance? What does lifetime warranty really mean? Has the reactor been conditioned before you get it? Why do you need to condition a reactor? Are the instructions easy to follow? Does the seller have a street address? There are many more questions you need to either ask of yourself or the seller. Unless you just have $300 or more to throw away you had better get as many questions as you can answered before you buy. There is a bigger list regarding how the reactor is made, electrolyte, bubbler, where to inject, electronics, etc. This is a complex field and if you do not know the answers just leaves you open to spend large amounts of money and end up with no gains and then claim that this is all a hoax. You will be surprised at the number of people that end up like that.

I am so aware that it will take more then bolting on a reactor. I think there are some things that are constant...or close...you need around .5 LPM per Liter of displacement. (starting point for a gas engine) . if your engine is computer controlled you will need make adjustments.