Let's Stop With The Oil Company Conspiracy Theories

[Smith03Jetta]

But They Are Evil And Walmart Is The Antichrist!

[BigTruck]

I have always beleived in capalistism and the free enterprise system, but its benefits have now been lost in government red-tape and greed. Too many regulations. Hell, MI is trying to take a guys house over a $50. parking ticket that turned into a $2600.00 fine. The government has more greed than anyone.

This is applicable to this forum because the biggest problem in HHO is the delivery system. Making a cell that produces is the easy part. Beating the sensors (regulations) and the computer is the hard part. Will the government give us an inspection sticker even though our solution is green?

They never wanted the engine to be more efficient. Where is the logic in a catalyptic converter. The fuel could have been burnt in the engine, but less fuel = less $.

Consider most of the pollution controls on a new vehicle. They were used to drive up price and cut mileage. If a car can get better mileage without them, then surely less gas would = less pollution.

If I'm wrong, then why is my MAF and O2 sensors killing my HHO efficency?

[Smith03Jetta]

Those sensors are made to regulate your engine at a certain acceptable standard. The Cat is tasked with burning off unused gasoline no matter what the quantity so it doesn't pollute the air with unburned gasoline.

The Only way to make cleaner exhaust is to send cleaner air to the Catalytic Converter than it can create on it's own. HHO helps do that job. The problem with Oxygen sensors is that it measures oxygen. It's a catch 22 for us.

Going back to that acceptable level concept. Somebody had to decide on acceptable fuel levels when the catalytic converter concept came into being. It was a lot easier concept to add a sensor to the engine that controls fuel levels than to redesign the engine to burn the fuel better. It was a matter of economics for the car manufacturers. Re-tooling costs billions. It had nothing to do with Big Oil or anything else. The government standard forced the car manufacturers to cut corners to meet acceptable testing standards. Emissions were of more concern than Gas mileage.

Considering that the government is now slowly increasing fuel mileage standards and lowering emissions standards and car manufacturers are keeping up with the demands of the government it only makes sense that they could have done it all along.

The oil companies, on the other hand are just sitting back, Fat Dumb and Happy, reaping the benefits of the car companies efforts to skirt around the government regulations.

It was with good intentions that the government imposed emmissions laws. The only problem was that the car manufacturers were smart enough to meet the standards of the test but not smart enough to satisfy the SPIRIT of the laws.

I don't believe that there is a conspiracy between the car companies and the Oil Companies to keep gas mileage low. I think it was just the easy thing to do.

[Walt]

The Gov't just needs to get with the 21st and change their taxation practice from a gas tax to a fixed per mile tax that would be reported quarterly. With America weaning it self and becoming more efficeint the gov't can no longer predict their revenues. What we are talking about with gas tax is funding roads and bridges and such. A simple per mile per pound tax would be fair and equitable.

[liberybell]

Those sensors are made to regulate your engine at a certain acceptable standard. The Cat is tasked with burning off unused gasoline no matter what the quantity so it doesn't pollute the air with unburned gasoline.

The Only way to make cleaner exhaust is to send cleaner air to the Catalytic Converter than it can create on it's own. HHO helps do that job. The problem with Oxygen sensors is that it measures oxygen. It's a catch 22 for us.

Going back to that acceptable level concept. Somebody had to decide on acceptable fuel levels when the catalytic converter concept came into being. It was a lot easier concept to add a sensor to the engine that controls fuel levels than to redesign the engine to burn the fuel better. It was a matter of economics for the car manufacturers. Re-tooling costs billions. It had nothing to do with Big Oil or anything else. The government standard forced the car manufacturers to cut corners to meet acceptable testing standards. Emissions were of more concern than Gas mileage.

Considering that the government is now slowly increasing fuel mileage standards and lowering emissions standards and car manufacturers are keeping up with the demands of the government it only makes sense that they could have done it all along.

The oil companies, on the other hand are just sitting back, Fat Dumb and Happy, reaping the benefits of the car companies efforts to skirt around the government regulations.

It was with good intentions that the government imposed emmissions laws. The only problem was that the car manufacturers were smart enough to meet the standards of the test but not smart enough to satisfy the SPIRIT of the laws.

I don't believe that there is a conspiracy between the car companies and the Oil Companies to keep gas mileage low. I think it was just the easy thing to do.

I agree with you... it is not conspiracy... it is a well thought out plan with the solemnly purpose to keep the control of energy industry and to ensure maximum profitability regardless of the impact on the only Earth we have, and on people.

It is true that in some cases corporations just take the shortcut approach to safe on money without premeditated intentions. But if you have ever work for a large corporation (as I have) you know that in the majority of the cases large companies premeditate to the micro-detail their plans always with the same main goal "to increase profitability at any cost. Even at human cost."

If you get a chance take a look at the documentary: "Who kill the electrical car." Also if you get a chance read "A people's history of United States" by Howard Zinn (http://howardzinn.org)
Also if you get a chance take a look at 'The story of stuff' http://www.storyofstuff.com/ This is really good!!!

All large corporations from all industries use Capitalism in the same way. Specially the energy industry, the pharmaceutical industry, the tobacco industry, and the biggest of all our federal government with its foreign affairs.
The key problem is that these giants are using Capitalism indiscriminately and without any type of regulations from those which lives they are affecting: the people.
In our new era Capitalism will still be the tool, but regulations and incentives would be put in place to ensure that respect for humanity and our Earth are above profitability.

[Stratous]

If you dont like the system, then stop buying from it. Big oil, energy, automotive, governments. How do they get their power? How did they get so large? Where do they get all the money? They got it from us by providing products or services. The people dictate what products or services they produce by demand. If we want more suburbans, they they will build them. Its just as much our fault as it is anyones. Maybe high fuel prices are a way to put things back into perspective. Do people really need a 60" tv? No, its greed and desire that make us think we need it. We want big TV's, so capitolism provides it. That is what capitalism is. The market place determined the goods and services that are produced. If the people dont like it, then they stop building it. Government is big, because too many people want the government to take care of everything. Big liberal peoples who like socialism. People who want the government to raise their kids, provide healthcare, food and anything else they would normally have to work for. Those people are the reason the Gov is out of control. The more liberal the people become, the more power the Gov gets. The more power they get, the more they want. This universal health care crap is just another way for the Gov to control our lives. Personally, only handicapped people should be taken care of. If your able bodied and dont work, then I for one have real heartburn with my tax dollars going to your pockets. Most people feel that way I would imagine. In this country, its the lazy people that are sucking the life out of the working class. The problem is, the larger the poor population becomes, the more they will take by virtue of the large amount of pull they have in the voting booths.

[Smith03Jetta]

So far my experimenting with this SCAM of HHO has resulted in me saving between $11.00 and $13.00 a week in gas money going back and forth to work.

[Blinger101]

Not much of a scam now then is it?

I can't wait to contruct mine and put it in my 93' Sentra.

[mario brito]

So far my experimenting with this SCAM of HHO has resulted in me saving between $11.00 and $13.00 a week in gas money going back and forth to work.

no mr. smith. you're wrong. this is a SCAM. it doesn't work. you got your numbers wrong. it's your need to believe... because if you are right, soon there will be a "hydrogen production special tax"... so, lets hear it from everyone : this is a scam and we are stupid people that believe anything...

thanks

[justaguy]

hho works because you believe it works.
You,re getting more mpg because you believe you are,
You,re saving 11 to 13 dollars a week because you believe you are.

I,m kidding of coarse, or did someone actually say this once?