Increase productivity/effieciency

[koya1893]

With my latest test with my "waterless" bubbler, you can increase productivity and efficiency by adding vacuum. Mimic the "old mason jar" wet cell system on a dry cell system, you'd be amazed with the result. Especially with diesel engine, even the IDI or pre-chamber system like in the old Benz.

[hhofox]

THanks for the info Koya! I wonder if your setup is different from what I did?

I placed a 'T' on the feeding line between the electrolyte reservoir (bottom) and the (entry point) of the Reactor. I put a check valve on the open leg of the 'T' to allow air into the line, and nothing out. I then attach the regular HHO output line to a vacuum source with some sort of in-line adjuster.

The cell is always sending the gas, but when I hit the accelerator, the air bubbles through it as well. It seemed to yield better results with this setup. It's hard to tell how much more HHO, if any, is produced though, since I am pulling air through it.

How is your system set up?

[koya1893]

THanks for the info Koya! I wonder if your setup is different from what I did?

I placed a 'T' on the feeding line between the electrolyte reservoir (bottom) and the (entry point) of the Reactor. I put a check valve on the open leg of the 'T' to allow air into the line, and nothing out. I then attach the regular HHO output line to a vacuum source with some sort of in-line adjuster.

The cell is always sending the gas, but when I hit the accelerator, the air bubbles through it as well. It seemed to yield better results with this setup. It's hard to tell how much more HHO, if any, is produced though, since I am pulling air through it.

How is your system set up?

My old way of thinking is having problem visualizing your set up, unfortunately mine is on a test trail for future patent and cannot share at this time. I can tell you, on my second test I am calculating a 30% increase. It feels weird barely pressing on the gas pedal at 55 mph and see the car keep with traffic. during idle the automatice idle adjustment on the car work great in cutting fuel.

[hhofox]

It could also be my unclear way of speaking that is preventing you from understanding as well. Here is a picture of the setup. The 'T' with the air check valve is the only addition.

http://www.hhoforums.com/attachment....1&d=1361998119

[koya1893]

It could also be my unclear way of speaking that is preventing you from understanding as well. Here is a picture of the setup. The 'T' with the air check valve is the only addition.

http://www.hhoforums.com/attachment....1&d=1361998119

Your idea is good, however the whole purpose of adding vacuum is to promote fast circualtion of the solution through the cell and evacuate the gas at the same time. Hence that is why the "waterless" bubbler works perfect to aviod vacuuming any moisture into the intake.

[hhofox]

Thanks, I was also thinking that the waterless bubbler would improve the setup a whole lot as well. It is also so easy to make that all I need to do is find some of that fine white cloth to test it out with.
Thanks for sharing the design again, by the way, you are a great contributor to the whole forum!

[Madsceintist]

I placed a 'T' on the feeding line between the electrolyte reservoir (bottom) and the (entry point) of the Reactor. I put a check valve on the open leg of the 'T' to allow air into the line, and nothing out. I then attach the regular HHO output line to a vacuum source with some sort of in-line adjuster.

The cell is always sending the gas, but when I hit the accelerator, the air bubbles through it as well. It seemed to yield better results with this setup. It's hard to tell how much more HHO, if any, is produced though, since I am pulling air through it.

I had the same result, and though I can't put a scientific reason to it for some, I will give you my thoughts.
-The air turning to bubbles in a rush to get somewhere creates a way of breaking up the HHO into smaller amounts as well as adding a mist of water to the mix, which also adds to the increased combustion.
-The reason I use this thought is that on a 71 Toyota corolla I had years ago, I put two pieces of steel screen mesh(from a window screen) under the carb to help break-up the droplets of fuel that would build-up at idle. That gave me a largely noticeable drop in fuel consumption, as it would allow the gas to be broken into smaller droplets. And I understand that the difference is liquid to air(fumes), verses air to air(HHO), but what else is to offer up?? -Science is theory until proven fact calls it science-

[Madsceintist]

Also it makes an even greater increase when you pull the air for this out of the exhaust near the muffler. I'll take a picture in a day or so and post it for one of my uses. Its a stainless steel fuel line that is bent with the exhaust and comes out above the intake for the hose to go on. I had it just after the converter but moved it back to see if the exhaust being cooler would have any effect. Still playing with it.

[Stevo]

I am glad to see this thread topic here. I've wondered about this very aspect for a while now and it sounds like I need to ensure vacuum is present at least for initial tests.

I am especially interested in the introduction of exhaust gas as we know it contains CO and CO2, which can be combined with Hydrogen to produce syngas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syngas

Untreated syngas can be run in hybrid turbines that allow for greater efficiency because of their lower operating temperatures, and extended part lifetime

While I certainly cannot prove simply adding exhaust gas is creating Syngas, I think current facts make this an interesting path for exploration. Crankcase gasses also contain CO and CO2. Steam reformation is a key process in Syngas production requiring high temperatures similar to that of ICE.

[ultra_efficient]

funny thing i am doing now and it seems to give me more HHO per amp. i drive pass a spring/waterfall on the side of the road everyday on the way to and from work, so one day i stop and catch some of the water and took it home to test in a HHO test cell and i got over 1.5LPM for under 10amps@12vdc. cell config is 6n plates, 4.5"x4.5" active space each side. config -nnnnnn+nnnnnn- x2.

so yea natural spring fresh water. try it. i will post videos of the spring fater the holidays. BTW happy easter