Ford F150 - 2009 f-150 xlt 5.4 triton, hho hydrogen conversion
I am about to install an hho kit into my truck and I was wondering if anyone has any experience with an hho kit. So far it seems everyone is skeptical about the results but I think they are missing out on a few important steps for getting better fuel millage with an hho system.
I have purchased the kit but have not yet installed it because I am doing due diligent research on the various methods. I will elaborate more on my progress on this forum, but I was wondering if anyone has used an hho kit on a newer vehicle before.
I would like to state to all the participants of this forum. I have heard many things about hho and its capabilities and I would like to experiment with them for my self. I would ask all of you to save your criticism until I have verifiable results. I plan to monitor and record many aspects of data, and I will be posting them on this forum. I also ask for your input as I will be asking many questions in the coming months of this experiment.
Next I would like to point out to all the skeptics the common misunderstandings of hho.
-Fist off, its not as simple as installing the kit and saving fuel. Multiple sensors have to be modified in order to enable the vehicle to accepts the air/fuel ration changes.
-secondly the wiring is a huge factor and must be done appropriately. Popper gauge wires and soldered connections are a must.
-Multiple sensors of the ecu must be manipulated by an after market ecu control chip.
-The water in the hho kit must have a precise mixture of distilled water and an electrolyte containing chemical such as potassium hydroxide to produce an efficient amount of hydrogen.
-The hho kit dose not consume a great amount of electricity. It runs off an average of 10-15 amps, which is less than an after market stereo and amp set up.
I would also like to point out a few things I have learned about the engines ECU
-the ecu uses each sensor to determine the proper fuel deliverance.
-if a sensor is not within operating range the ecu ignores the signal and tries to coop with the other sensor signals
-if an hho kit is installed without tuning the ecu, the ecu will eventually adjust to the new conditions resulting in no fuel mileage gains
During my hho instalation and testing I will be:
-adjusting the ECU with http://www.greensource.ca 's pro tuner chip
-monitoring and recording the ecu data with, http://www.ultra-scan.com 's obd2 ultra scanner
I have purchased an item call the 'pro tuner chip'. This item works by splicing in to the sensor signal wires and relaying them through the pro tuner and back to the ecu.
In the image below you can see various sensor inputs and adjustment dials.
The sensor signals will be adjusted with the corresponding dials . I will be observing live data with and item called obd2 ultra gauge as well as an ecu to PC connection.
Each sensor signal must be tuned to accommodate for the HHO. This process will require great patients.
I understand that each sensor has an operating threshold which delegates the min and max tolerance of each sensor. If I over/under adjust any sensor, the fuel system will run in 'open loop' mode and the adjustments to the sensor signal will be ignored.
So believe you me I fully understand what I'm about to get into here.
I am in the process of compiling a list of voltage parameters for each of the sensors involved in the process. With the use of a multimeter I can monitor the voltage of each sensor signal to make sure I am within the vehicles operating threshold.
Tuning the ECU will prove to be the most efficient way of getting MPG gains with an HHO kit.
I am projecting fuel gains of approximately 30% less gas used.
So far this is my compiled list of sensors that need to be adjusted with the HHO kits.
Any areas with 'undetermined' means I have not yet tested the measurements for my self.
Intake Air Temp IAT
1 to 3 volts 20 to 60 degrees C
0.7 volts 80 degrees C
Coolant Temp Sensor CTS
undetermined "+"5 degrees C
Manifold Absolute Pressure MAP
0.5 to 4.5 volts
80% to 95% of baseline voltage
0 to 1 volts
2.7 and 3.0 volts
3.0 and 3.3 volts
Here are so amateur videos I made today regarding the HHO kit I will be using.
Please forgive me for my inexperience in video making and presentation.
HHO Dry Cell
Pro Tuner Chip
I'm interested to see your results, I'm planning on doing an HHO system in a future car, which, will end up being a Ford F150. I don't do any significant towing, but I'm tired of being so low to the ground in my 4 door POS. Fuel efficiency is my only concern, thus HHO.
A quick vid of where I will possibly place my HHO setup.
i looked up your truck. i wouldn't do anything with map signal. map is only used for egr testing and barometric pressure readings key on engine off. should be able to tweak temp sensors without messing with maf signal
I sure hope you picked the correct signal wire for those wide band O2. Also, you need to have a larger reservoir, at min 1 gal. If you do this right you can see 25-30%. That what I saw when I had one installed on my 09 F150, with 2.-3LPM HHO being induced. One more things, you need to have a good "wet bubbler" or a "waterless" bubbler. You can increase your production with a small 12v vacuum pump. DO NOT USE the vacuum system on the truck.
Last edited by koya1893; 11-19-2013 at 11:09 PM.