Does Size Really matter?

[JojoJaro]

Folks, I am starting this thread to try to really get a good understanding of what makes a cell produce.

If I am understanding this correctly, current is the factor that affects production. The more current the more gas. Surface area will only come into consideration as it pertains to the 'Current Density'.

I've read that you should not exceed a current density of .5 Amps per sq. in. So, if your surface area does not exceed this current density, wouldn't surface area be irrelevant?

For example. If you have a surface area of 10 sq. in. You should not exceed 5 amps per the density rule. The question is, will you produce more by increasing your surface area to 20 sq.in. while maintaining current at 5 amps.

To me, having 20 sq.in. only means that I can increase my current to 10 amps thereby increasing my production. So, the benefit of size only comes into play as it allows me to pump more current. I don't believe there is anything inherently beneficial to surface area, only as it allows me to have more current.

Am I correct in my analysis?

[timetowinarace]

Yep, I think you have it right.

[sp1r0]

Try watching some vid's on youtube. lulu777, ammanninox, zerofossilfuel, sirhoax, just to name a few... Coil work done by ammanninox is very impressive.

[JojoJaro]

Try watching some vid's on youtube. lulu777, ammanninox, zerofossilfuel, sirhoax, just to name a few... Coil work done by ammanninox is very impressive.

Hmmm... I watched some of the videos except the Lulu777 ones. I can't find those.

Anyways, seems like these design do produce but at a cost of excessive amps. Sure, if you put a lot of amps, most cell designs will produce impressively. But isn't the point, trying to come up with a design that will do better than 1 LPM per 10 amps and not overheating.

I've been looking for such a design but can't seem to find one. Any leads?

[Phantom240]

10 amps isn't going to get you far without some serious thought. The traditional, "Open Bath" design probably won't get you 1lpm on 10amps. If you can find a way to make production more efficient, then have at it.

I'm thinking of building a smaller version of the cell I'm working on, and pumping the same current to it, but with plates MUCH smaller than what I'm working with now, to see how much surface area affects production.

[sp1r0]

I can save you some time as I have made a simple plate electrolyzer with 6 plates. An observation I made after I added 6 more plates, the current doubled. As surface area doubles, current doubles with the same voltage. If you double the voltage with the same surface area, the current doubles.

[jdv109]

Been reading here for awhile but first post so please bare with me.
I am running +_+(+)+_+ in series in distiled water with a little less then
4 oz of Roebic drain opener.
Hooked up to 12 volt battery and it showed 7 amps and put out about
4 oz lpm aftyer one hour down to 5 amps and dropping. I thought the amps should have went up?????
Anyone know what is happening???

Jim

[JojoJaro]

Please stay on topic.

Post your question in the Q&A section. Mentors will answer them there.

[otrcomm]

Hello,

You might want to look at this page:

http://jnaudin.free.fr/wfc/index.htm

and then papers by Stan Meyer:

http://waterpoweredcar.com/stan.html

If I understand them correctly, Meyer was getting a 300% plus increase in hydrogen gas production not so much by size per se, but by creating a resonance between the power input into the system and the water molecules. The way I understand it, and I may be totally wrong, is that he built up a charge on the positive electrode like a capacitor and, at the same time starved the negative electrode. Then the only place that the positive charge could "find" a negative charge was from electrons in the water molecule. This is how he broke the water molecules apart. And it happened without any heat build up since there was not an arc between the positive and negative electrodes. Several people at the jnaudin site have replicated the Meyer system and have reported over 300% hydrogen gas production than is predicted by Faraday's "laws."

Dave Lawton has the best "translations" of Meyer's circuit diagrams that I have found:

http://waterfuel.t35.com/wf_meyer_lawton.html

[otrcomm]

Oh yeah, I forgot to add, Stan Meyer didn't need an electrolyte like KOH, NaOH, or Baking Soda; he used pure water. And the people replicating Meyer's system are using pure water.