Daniel Dingel's Honeycomb-Separator

[2bighybrid]

In one of his video, he said. From12vdc to Ignition coil AC then its goes DC thru the system.....I think the electrical system is not a straight thru and has something to do with it.

[ethospete]

The drawing on the hood says how it works... one of the keys is his honeycomb plate (or plates) as it allows for much easier gas flow actually through the plates themselves as opposed to solid plates. But this does greatly reduce the overall metal surface area of the plates... but, that said, that might not be a bad thing...

There are two types of hydrolysis - 1 uses brute force and high current and an electrolyte and produces a lot of heat.

The other is unconventional electrolysis as perfected by Daniel Dingel and Stan Meyer (both who are dead now) - this uses pure tap water with no electrolyte and far lower currents and produces little or no heat.

There's a key somewhere that hits this magic point where mass disassociation of the hydrogen and oxygen occurs which is far greater than anything produced through conventional electrolysis.

There are three different frequencies where greater dissociation occurs and the exact frequencies vary with each unit so aren't set in stone and need to be found by trial and error but are usually around the same frequencies give or take a little.

Stan Meyer's 'pipes' in his original HHO unit, if you look very closely, you'll see that they have slots cut out of the top of the outer tubes - the only logical reason for this is to tune the pipes in exactly the same way as you do with church organ pipes - as the outer tube is obviously larger than the smaller one inside they will both resonate at different frequencies... So I believe that he cut the slots in the outer tubes to tune them so that both the inner and outer tubes resonate at exactly the same frequency. So I think that the success of this early unit was somehow based on harmonics and or resonance.

Danial Dingel's is/was a completely different design and I believe he'd cracked the code by combining magnetism with bismuth as the core at the bottom of his unit and then had the honeycomb plate (or plates) mounted horizontally above the core, immersed in the pure tap water and, due to the holes in the honeycomb, this allowed the HHO gas to flow up from the core and through the honeycomb mesh. I'm still pondering if there is any significance with the honeycomb holes being hexagonal and if it would work in exactly the same way with the plate or plates having round holes in them - I can't really see how the shape of the holes would affect the workings of the unit so it might just have been that it far was easier to buy honeycomb mesh off the shelf as opposed to buying solid plate(s) and then drilling hundreds of holes in them.

Since I met Daniel in March 2008 I've not actually done any experiments as in the December they destroyed my business and I had to focus on putting that back together again just to survive. But I really do need to sit down with some magnets and some bismuth and some honeycomb mesh and have a play about with them and see exactly how they interact together. The very intriguing thing was that the unit also generated electricity all by itself as soon as you added water too it - he said with a mains inverter it would power a small fridge or a TV for about three months! So simply connect a few units together in parallel to give you more current output and you wouldn't need very many connected together to give you 5kw which would power the average small house.

I agree with you about too much current creating too much heat but this is still looking at it conventionally... There is a much more efficient way of doing this - it's just a matter of unlocking the correct combination and then getting that EUREKA moment! )

All the best

ethospete...

[ethospete]

Daniel Dingle's HHO Generator can also be used to generate free electrical energy from ordinary tap water. As you will see in this video, when the cell is full of water it generates the electricity to power an electric light. He then siphons out the water and the unit will no longer power the lamp. He refills it with water once again and again it lights the lamp. By using a mains voltage inverter this unit can be used to power a small cooker or television set for approximately three months before it needs refilling with water again. Connect several of these units together in parallel to generate more power output and you wouldn't need very many units to generate 5 Kw which is enough electricity to power the average small home! Why has this technology been suppressed by the IMF and the Wold Bank since 1968 when Daniel first invented it..?

Free the suppression of free energy technologies today!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3URHBYGMaCo

All the best

ethospete

[2bighybrid]

As far as I knew, applied voltage should be = to decomposition voltage...anything in excess will dissipate heat....even if you get a high current, for as long as the applied voltage to the cell is within the decomposition voltage standard, production will not go down.

[myoldyourgold]

As far as I knew, applied voltage should be = to decomposition voltage...anything in excess will dissipate heat....even if you get a high current, for as long as the applied voltage to the cell is within the decomposition voltage standard, production will not go down.

This might be true theoretically but at 1.23 Volts(decomposition voltage) you will have very little volume in fact so little that is is not worth the effort. Even though I have seen action at .75volts it is so little that it is not useable in fact if you blink you will miss the bubble. I am working on something that might solve this problem. It is a long shot though. It will be some time before I will be able to know if it works or not. If it does work then 11 cell reactors will be all the rage. LOL

[rpatten]

after a quick wiki read up of bismuth, it says that it creates voltage depending on temp but I wouldn't think much.
After typing it in on ebay it seems very cheap to buy and so do the magnets.
Anyone started experimenting yet or has anyone phoned any more pic's or vid's on this?
If you look through the honey comb, there does seem to be the beautiful colours of bismuth there, is the honey comb there just to mask what's under it?

[rpatten]

well after spending 40 pounds on bismuth and a day of testing I've had very disappointing results.
I've tried it in tap water, salt water and KOH.
I've tried it as the anode and cathode.
I've tried it with the earth magnets as the anode and the bismuth as the cathode and vis verse.
I've used 316 and copper
I've used extremely large earth magnets and small ones in different places, in and out of the water to give various magnetic fields.
I've even tried melting the bismuth and placing a magnet in its centre, once cooled using that.
and a couple of other things.

Either this is a good fake and daniel dingle was a million dollars richer or he's led you down the garden path to protect his secret, because as far as I can see bismuth is a cheap experimental pipe dream.

I did find a cell called the mighty joe cell that uses bismuth as a core but the difference the bismuth must make is nominal if at all and you couldn't run a car on it. Interesting spherical design though.

Any feed back to prove me wrong is more than welcome and I hope someone does, I'd like to make 30lpm for my projects but can't get near it so it is a shame.

[myoldyourgold]

You might have jumped to soon. Do not give up so easy. Here is something to study. I could not find the patent that was very close to what Daniel was doing but when I find where I saved the link I will post it. Got a new computer and things are still not set up where I can find everything. LOL as if that would help!! Here is a bunch of them and this should give you the clues you need. Good luck.

http://www.google.com/search?q=bismuth+fuel+cell+patent&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a

[HornerDees]

bismuth is dimagnetic, so is water. so the water is being crushed by the fields...... anyone ever try Ultrahigh-pressure electrolysis? It should be vary efficient. any thoughts???? was his setup bolted together??? under pressure?

[rpatten]

I did experiment with pressurised water, the difficulties were that pressurised water conducts heat much better so as soon as you run electricity through it you get a good water heater and the water pressure rise very very quickly. The other difficulty is separating the hho without squirting water everywhere.
You can get round some of these problems but it isn't ideal.

List of things you need:

You have to have an expansion vessel, to counter the rise in pressure.
A pressure gage to monitor pressure.
A pressure relief valve of at most 3bar or you could blow hot electrolyte over yourself/eyes.
A strong cell design, mine kept leaking as the metal expanded and shifted the seals.
An air separator, these inevitably dribble water so a second separator would also be needed.
A radiator to keep the temp down.
and finally a hydraulic pressure pump to fill the system.

I am a central heating engineer and dabbled with this idea as all of the items above are involved in a seal system central heating system. I gave up as it was very complicated and costly to get right. It would be bulky and you'd never get it into a car.